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Offline Dave Shooter

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Unknown 1860
« on: June 30, 2017, 12:02:27 PM »
 

So, this is waiting for me when I get home.
Any ideas on who made it?  Date codes to 1980.

Wife stopped at estate sale and sent pics of some guns.
"1860 Army .44"  Seller didn't know manufacturer and she couldn't find  one on it.  Told her to make an offer and they took it!
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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2017, 12:41:36 PM »
Armi San Marco made a lot of them with only 3 screw frames but had the recoil shield cut for a shoulder stock.   ASM would be my guess.   Look on the left side of the frame for S Marco or the ASM logo under the loading lever on the bottom of the barrel.   ASM also stamped their logo right in front of the trigger guard on the bottom of the frame.

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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2017, 05:20:18 PM »

Just the sn on bottom of frame and barrel.

Nothing under the loading lever.


Square notch rear sight, bottom corners of hammer face are  bevelled.


On bottom of grip appears to be either RR or PR.
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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2017, 06:23:03 PM »
I've seen the PR before but can't remember where or who it was attributed to.   I think someone here knows,  Maybe Hawg or Fingers have the answer.

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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2017, 06:52:28 PM »
FIE... that FIE brasser 44 i sold had the same mark...
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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2017, 08:11:58 PM »
PR is the mark of Officina Meccanica Armi Riva Esterina & C.

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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2017, 08:53:54 PM »
PR is the mark of Officina Meccanica Armi Riva Esterina & C.

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I've always heard it attributed to Pierino Ruschetta.

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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2017, 08:55:07 PM »
FIE... that FIE brasser 44 i sold had the same mark...

FIE was the importer.

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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2017, 08:57:49 PM »
I believe the PR logo is for Pierino Ruschetta based on a lengthy post about manufacturers on TFL   (https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340072&highlight=pr&page=2)  that included this post:

http://www.earmi.it/armi/database/armieri.htm

It lists all Italian gun makers from 1945-1980.

There is a Pierino Ruschetta listed, and I think the PR is him!   
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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2017, 10:20:28 PM »
Pierino Ruschetta +1
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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2017, 12:30:49 PM »
Here is a quote from Ringo on the forum dated January 18, 2016:

As for the Pierino Ruschetta, it appears it might be rather a "Riva Esterina". At least that is what the Gardone proofhouse told me when I asked them about the PR logo. Riva Esterina was an italian firm which also used the trademark Dart and whose arms where mainly imported in the U.S.A. by FIE

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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2017, 12:40:20 PM »
A couple years ago, I sent an inquiry to the Consorzio Armaioli Italiani asking if they knew who was hiding behind the PR mark, and this is what Ms Monica Cancarini answered:
"PR is a proof mark for RIVA ESTERINA. The company stopped their production at the end of 1979/1980 (more or less)."
This being consistent with what the proofhouse told me, I believe PR to be one of the trade marks Riva Esterina used.

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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2017, 04:41:25 PM »
A couple years ago, I sent an inquiry to the Consorzio Armaioli Italiani asking if they knew who was hiding behind the PR mark, and this is what Ms Monica Cancarini answered:
"PR is a proof mark for RIVA ESTERINA. The company stopped their production at the end of 1979/1980 (more or less)."
This being consistent with what the proofhouse told me, I believe PR to be one of the trade marks Riva Esterina used.

Sounds good to me.  I've never heard of Riva Esterina until now.  What other trade marks did they use?
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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2017, 05:00:03 PM »
Glad I can be of assistance to start a conversation.   ;)

As for the '60, it looks like it could use bolt/slot work to get the chambers better lined up with the barrel.  Springs are stout!  Maybe some arbor work and recut the forcing cone.  New nipples.
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Re: Unknown 1860
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2017, 06:39:00 PM »
Glad I can be of assistance to start a conversation.   ;)

As for the '60, it looks like it could use bolt/slot work to get the chambers better lined up with the barrel.  Springs are stout!  Maybe some arbor work and recut the forcing cone.  New nipples.

I have a 58 Remington navy made by PR and it's a total POS. Accurate as hell tho.