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New Toys
« on: October 12, 2017, 10:36:53 AM »
Hi, have you noticed that I haven't been posting much lately? Am I tired of BP revolver shooting? Not in the least. What I have been doing is getting some new toys tricked out for shooting in my basement as winter rolls in. I have .22 conversion cylinders on some of my BP revolvers, but my cats go nuts on hearing the report. A pellet gun will allow shooting practice without the loud report. I bought a couple 2240 Crosman pellet guns to play with, see:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GA8RQBM/ref=twister_B01HG3S83Y?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

The Crosman 2240 is highly modifiable. Longer barrels, steel receiver, trigger sears, grips, and stocks are available for low cost. Even found a great low cost reflex sight to use, see:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HPWATOC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Here are a couple of my tricked out Crosman 2240s:



How accurate are these pellet guns? Pellets go in the same hole from 50ft, the most accurate guns I own.

Regards,
Richard
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Re: New Toys
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 10:50:10 AM »
Nice! They sound way more accurate than my Browning pistol (Umarex) but it's fun for basement plinking.
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Re: New Toys
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2017, 05:07:56 AM »
CO2?

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Re: New Toys
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2017, 07:18:33 AM »
Since I don't get to the range as much as I'd like might have to get myself a pellet gun for getting some good practice in.

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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2017, 07:55:15 AM »
Hi Whip, buying smart one can shoot the CO2 pellet guns for ~$0.02/shot. I buy 40 C02 cartridges for ~$20 and 500 pellets for ~$5.60. The Crosman 2240 gets 50 shots from a CO2 cartridge. There are a lot of YouTube videos on how to optimize performance. I had my 2240 with shoulder stock down in the basement shooting this morning. That rig is so accurate that there is little challenge shooting it at 50ft, the pellets almost go shooting offhand in the same hole. That shoulder stock rig will be better put to use at 50yds, not 50ft. It will probably be the 2240 without shoulder stock that will get the most use in my basement this winter.

What's nice about using a pellet handgun regularly is that one's shooting skills can stay sharp, even in bad outside weather.

If you like screwing around with guns, doing mods to the Crosman 2240 yields benefits. Getting a light smooth trigger pull is little more than polishing the sear and changing the trigger spring. Put a longer barrel and you get more pellet energy. Instead of the stock 7.5" barrel, a 14.5" barrel will raise pellet energy ~50% with a pellet velocity of 550fps.

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Re: New Toys
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 11:51:05 AM »
Looks like you have some winners there. I need to make up a suitable backstop/pellet catcher for my use. But, I don't have even 50 feet in my basement. What distance I do have will probably tax my pistol shooting abilities though! L@J :-[

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2017, 10:48:20 AM »
Hi, yesterday just for grins I took the Crosman 2240 .22 with shoulder stock and tried shooting at 100yds. The pellet gun was steadied on a picnic table and shot at a steel ispc target. Using a ballistic calculator, see:
http://www.handloads.com/calc/index.html

I determined that I needed to shoot ~48" over the desired point of impact.

The calculator was right on where I was able to produce a group of 10" at 100yds with the pellet gun.

I ordered another Crosman 2240 from Amazon and a 10.1" .177 barrel from eBay to produce a .117 CO2 pellet gun.

The .117 has a higher velocity with a CO2 pellet gun where the trajectory is flatter.

While I shoot .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum, shooting the pellet guns is a hoot.

BTW, shooting pellet guns is much cheaper where shooting in a basement is a nice substitute when the weather is too bad to shoot outside.

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Richard

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2017, 04:31:05 AM »
Hi, the new Crosman 2240 arrived yesterday and was converted from .22 to .177 caliber. The pistol was sighted in. It is as accurate as the other .22 Crosman 2240 pellet guns. I can tell from the sharp cut of the paper target that the .177 has a higher velocity than the .22s. The .177 is the 2240 at the bottom of this photo:



BTW, this is not a stock 2240, a steel breech, .177 barrel, .177 bolt, new sear, new trigger spring and reflex sight with 3/8 to 20mm adapter was installed:

http://www.crosman.com/steel-breech-kit-22-cal
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Crosman-177-CALIBER-10-1-RIFLED-BARREL-for-2240-2250-2300-etc-Convert-22/290910220920?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-Steel-Bolt-Probe-Upgrade-22-177-Fits-1322-1377-2240-2250-2260-2289/230944823442?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=530128249508&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Stainless-Steel-RIGHT-SIZE-Trigger-Sear-for-Crosman-1322-1377-2240-2250-etc/291318510638?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ADJUSTABLE-TRIGGER-SPRING-Crosman-1377-1322-2289-2240-2250-similar-models/111800249520?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HPWATOC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007BNHFLQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Wood grips have been ordered for the .177:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/READY-TO-FINISH-CHECKERED-BLK-WALNUT-WOOD-AMBI-GRIPS-for-Crosman-2240-1377-etc/292195381140?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

All the internal parts of the action were polished and lithium greased.

Yeah, adding those parts cost more than the base $60 2240, but creates a premium pellet gun.

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Richard
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2017, 10:29:45 AM »
Hi, I have been having a ball shooting my Crosman 2240 handguns. I came across a YouTube video where a guy measured the number of shots from a CO2 cartridge when shortening the hammer spring, see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siFqYiW6NJU&t=4s

I shortened the 2" hammer springs to 1.75" and measured the velocity using both the original and shortened hammer spring.

Both the .22 and .177 pistol have a 10.1" barrel. I chronographed the velocity using both the original 2" and shortened 1.75" spring.

.22 Crosman 2240 pistol:
2" spring, 464fps
1.75" spring 458fps
The shorter spring lost 6fps.

.177 Crosman 2240 pistol
2" spring 508fps
1.75" spring 510fps
The shorter spring gained 2fps.

This experiment shows that shorting the hammer spring has almost no effect on velocity. However, if the video is correct the shorter spring almost doubles the number of shots from a CO2 cylinder.

I suspect that Crosman makes more money on the the disposable components than the original handgun. I did not measure the number of shots per CO2 cylinder, but believe the results of the YouTube guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmzKjAoUb3E

More shots per CO2 cylinder makes a lot of sense to me.

My 1851 BP revolvers are tack drivers, but these pellet guns are gnat destroyers.

Maybe we should have a pellet gun section of this message board?

Regards,
Richard

 
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Re: New Toys
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2017, 12:13:53 PM »
Maybe we should have a pellet gun section of this message board?

I could go for that. Anyone else interested?
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Re: New Toys
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2017, 05:26:26 AM »
Hi Kirk, seems to me that you and some others purchased pellet guns a couple of months ago? I saw that Sam is soon getting a Crosman 1875?

Maybe create a new topic "Pellet Guns" and move all the various threads already posted to that topic?

A pellet gun lets us shoot when weather or range issues prevent shooting our BP guns.

Maybe encourage Crosman to produce an 1851, 1860, and Walker pellet gun? A signature series? )lI

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Richard
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2017, 10:13:11 AM »
Yes, Sam got (or is getting) one and Mazo has several.
I like my Buckmark although the accuracy is nothing to write home about. Still, it keeps the muscle memory tuned and scratches the urge to shoot!
The best part is that I don't need any $$$ CO2 cartridges, which aren't cheap..
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2017, 10:54:12 AM »
Hi Kirk, if you have a pump up pellet gun have you tried to diesel it? To diesel a pump up pellet gun you just put a little vicks or petroleum jelly on the back of the pellet. There are a few YouTube videos on doing this where they get velocities up to 1000fps:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pellet+gun+dieseling

Seems that the pressure rise of the air is enough to heat the fuel to have the pellet gun diesel. Of course this can't be done with CO2 pellet guns.

Yeah, we need a pellet gun topic on this message board. Maybe bring some more members to this message board?

Regards,
Richard
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2017, 12:10:23 PM »
Interesting but sounds like an invitation to the scrap heap. Later, if not sooner.
I will see what I can do about a dedicated section.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2017, 01:42:38 PM »
have you tried to diesel it?

Regards, Richard

Will dieseling jack up the gun?  I understand it will mess with the seals and gaskets.  I've not tried that on the Umarex Browning Buckmark here; it's too much fun to risk any damage.  What’s the view?