Author Topic: 1851 endurance test  (Read 336 times)

Offline mike116

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1655
    • View Profile
    • LeathersmithMike.com
Re: 1851 endurance test
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2017, 06:34:10 PM »
Black MZ is only $10 per pound in my neck of the woods.  http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/sportsmans/Alliant-Black-MZ-Muzzleloader-Powder/productDetail/Powder-and-Primers/prod99999030268/cat100011#pr-header-back-to-top-link   Goex is $28 at Bass Pro Shops,  the only place in the state you can buy it.    I'm tempted to try some Black MZ at that price.

Offline ssb73q

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2200
  • Gunsmoke junkie
    • View Profile
Re: 1851 endurance test
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2017, 10:24:19 AM »
Hi Mike, initially I was very down on Black Mz because of the large velocity standard deviation, but then discovered all the other benefits of using it. It's is now my favored BP substitute. I ordered a lifetime supply from sportsman's warehouse at ~$10/lb. With Black Mz you can run and run and run in a way not possible with other BP propellants.

Regards,
Richard
There’s nothing better in the morning than the smell of bacon and black powder smoke!

Offline LonesomePigeon

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 354
  • Newbie
    • View Profile
Re: 1851 endurance test
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2017, 06:00:40 PM »
 Black MZ at $10/lb. is sounding very attractive. Is there a Hazmat fee with shipping Black MZ?

Offline 99whip

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 326
  • Newbie
    • View Profile
Re: 1851 endurance test
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2017, 07:14:03 AM »
Curious about a Hazmat fee on that also LP, I didn't see a mention of it on the sportsman's warehouse link but maybe I just missed it.

Offline ssb73q

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2200
  • Gunsmoke junkie
    • View Profile
Re: 1851 endurance test
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2017, 07:42:09 AM »
Hi, most all shipments of BP, subs, smokeless, primers, and caps require a hazmat fee. That includes Black Mz The hasmat fee encourages buying larger supplies of shooting propellants and caps.

Olde Eynsford costs $19.99, Black Mz $26.99 from Graf and Sons:
https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/3500

Assuming a 20gr charge for the 1851, the added cost per shot using Black Mz over Olde Eynsford is $0.02. IMO considering the advantages, even at a $27 price for Black Mz, Black Mz won't break anyone's bank.

BTW, caps cost ~$0.04, and if you buy your balls, swaged 0.380" ~$0.13, Black Mz ($26.99) ~$0.08 per shot. total ~$0.25.

Regards,
Richard
There’s nothing better in the morning than the smell of bacon and black powder smoke!

Offline bigted

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 227
  • when all is said ... more will be said then done.
    • View Profile
Re: 1851 endurance test
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2017, 08:54:53 AM »
Well got to go play some more ... altho only 12 paper carts were used this time.

Carts are the same cig paper only this time i loaded Lee conical AND dipped the paper covered bullet in my vasoline/bee wax lube for a good bit of lube for the test [never done this before] and shot two groups off the bench rested very nicely ... got groups of 4+ inch at 15 yds. Little disapointed with this test and upon swabbing the barrel discovered copious fouling as well as some leading at the muzzle.

After cleaning her up i began loading lose powder and wads under home cast lead balls. No love here either using plain ol GOEX 3Fg powder. Tons of fouling and leading again ... same accuracy as the dipped Lee conicals.

Next i loaded lose powder and plain ball under plain crisco over the ball. Loading around 20 grains goex 3Fg powder and igniting it with cci # 10 caps i carefully shot the first group.

Coulda knocked over with a feather ... all 5 went to point  of aim AND all 5 into the same hole ... YES ... same raged hole.

Excited now i began shooting this old kinda messy load and kept shooting the same target .. 25 rounds later i had 23 shots in a hole no bigger then a 50 cent piece. Two shots outta 25 flew on account of my pulling them..

All in all i now know that this old method is going to be the most dependable accuracy wise and never gave a hint of binding.

I am very impressed with the plain paper carts loaded with ol E and just loading and shooting. I still need to try em with lube over ball loads. I really want to roll some carts and adjust my lube mix and dip em in lube. This would be the best in terms of speed and simplicity of loading as well as less messy. So ...

The further i go the more questions i develop. Such as 1- what were the ingredients of the cartridges available to folks in and out of the military originally. 2- what is a reasonable expectation of these early loaded carts. 3- wonder what the accuracy expectation was back in the day of percusion revolvers hay day.

On n on n on ... what fun. I really like shooting these ol buggers. Trying not to get too complicated in my endeaver and ruin my very fine pastime of shooting. Will continue this 51 experiment and report my findings here. Thanks for this most exelent forum. Hoping that more shooting reports come instead of all the fine picture posts of exelent revolvers.

Thats all for now fellers. More to come unless i get instructed to desist.

Ted
BIGTED

Offline sourdough

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 325
  • Newbie
    • View Profile
Re: 1851 endurance test
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2017, 04:19:49 PM »
Don't desist, please. I/we learn more all of the time. Knowledge is never a bad thing.

Thanks!

Jim