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Pocket Models / Re: Wells Fargo, cheap
« Last post by Bishop Creek on Today at 12:16:31 PM »
Thanks for the replies ssb73q and 45 Dragoon. Now I understand. I do have a Ruger Old Army so I should have known better.
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Pocket Models / Re: Wells Fargo, cheap
« Last post by 45 Dragoon on Today at 11:38:25 AM »
Hey Bishop!!
  That article should give you an idea of what the hand spring "fix" is. 
 Richard has some info backwards though. The installation of the coil and plunger (Ruger style - more spring than plunger) INDUCES throw-by (it's too soft) which is why you typically see a "beauty ring" on Rugers. A correctly set up flat hand spring is what keeps throw-by at bay.  This is why I was taught NOT to do the conversion. My own coil and pushrod (as much pushrod as spring but the spring has more tension) mimics the flat spring action and feel without the induced throw-by. That gives you Colt feel with Ruger life span! I believe Richard "solved " his induced throw-by by using a stiff grease rather than a stouter spring.

Anyway, the most broken spring is the hand spring (of course not by the accounts of Richard and Hawg!!) and this seems to be the most wanted "upgrade" , second is the torsion spring for the bolt (the second most broken spring).

On the pocket type revolvers, the placement of the spring in the frame is not the same as for the Army,Navy, Dragoons and Walkers.

Thanks for asking Bishop!!

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
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Pocket Models / Re: Wells Fargo, cheap
« Last post by ssb73q on Today at 05:17:48 AM »
Hi Bishop, see pages 9-15 of this reference:

http://www.theopenrange.net/articles/Tuning_the_Pietta_Part_Two.pdf

Regards,
Richard
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Pocket Models / Re: Wells Fargo, cheap
« Last post by ssb73q on January 21, 2018, 08:14:22 PM »
Hi Bishop, the coil spring are Ruger plunger and spring to replace the leaf spring of the revolver hand. It's supposed to prevent breaking the hand spring. However, I have never broken a hand spring, but did do the mod on four BP revolvers. On first blush it seems to be a preferred hand spring method, but comes with its own issue. Cylinder drag from the original hand spring is gone where cylinder over rotation can occur when cocking fast. Heavy grease on the arbor cured over rotation on my 1860 conversion. The 1851s didn't have that issue with the hand spring mod. Of course I could always replace the Ruger hand spring parts with a new hand with flat spring. IMO sometimes we should just leave the original design alone.

Regards,
Richard
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Pocket Models / Re: Wells Fargo, cheap
« Last post by Bishop Creek on January 21, 2018, 06:46:51 PM »
Well, you might get some extra clearance if you shoot it much before fixing the arbor. But, since it's a smaller scale, it's in effect "overbuilt"  for the charges. That said, it is important to do the arbor fix.
 Glad it's functioning well. They seem to be popular as they trickle through the shop.
  If you want to install a coil handspring in the frame, the screw hole is the location. You'll have to shorten that screw but it  works very nice.

Have fun!
Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks

Pardon my ignorance Mike, I have read about them but don't understand, what exactly is a coil hand spring?
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"Brand X" / Re: .32 S&W Long
« Last post by Dave Shooter on January 21, 2018, 01:37:47 PM »
Here are the two 4" .32s.  Very similar in size.



Interesting trivia:
The Smith is 50 years older than the Colt copy.
Smith as shown is also a smidge under two ounces lighter.
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Lead casting / Re: plenty of lead for a while
« Last post by ssb73q on January 21, 2018, 12:42:04 PM »
Hi, ordered another 20lbs of pure lead from eBay, $30 with free shipping. The lead is from x-ray room shielding.

More casting is in store.

Regards,
Richard
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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: What did you do today?
« Last post by Hawg on January 21, 2018, 12:07:26 PM »
I dunno but whatever it is I haven't done it yet. (7+"
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Pocket Models / Re: Wells Fargo, cheap
« Last post by LonesomePigeon on January 21, 2018, 11:37:29 AM »
I wonder if the cylinder gap would change if you sand down the arbor so it fits less tight?
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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: What did you do today?
« Last post by mazo kid on January 21, 2018, 11:26:22 AM »
I have been working on one garage door opener off and on for a couple of weeks. Had to release tension as it was jammed at the top of the opener. Lost part of the master link. On the 2nd trip to the hardware store finally found a clerk who knew what I was talking about. Problem was that I didn't know the size of the roller chain so ended up not being able to put it back together. Did a redneck repair using a short piece of wire clothes hanger. Found a part of the missing master link so was finally able to get the right size. Putting it together, I dropped the spring clip retainer.....twice. Found it the first time, looked for over 20 minutes the 2nd time. Came to the house fuming (understatement!), wife asked if she could help. She came down to the garage, asked where I dropped it, walked over to the side and picked it up :-[   Set chain tension, adjusted up and down travel, good to go.
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