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Berdan rifle (at least according to the catalogue entry)
« on: January 20, 2016, 02:06:09 PM »
When I started collecting guns, I wanted to have Colt replicas, as Colt spells Far West to me, ut I also wanted to have one or two long arms, be it only to hang on the wall over the fire place. In fact, I don't have a fireplace, but I think you get the pciture...  L@J
However, I wanted a Winchester. The one Rooster Cogburn spins in True Grit, or Tom Doniphons uses to shoot Liberty Valance. Tough luck : they are not free to have in France. As I don't want to bother asking for a license, I had to start looking for something else. And I found it, a rifle with a different look, only one shot, cap and ball, so no license needed.
They call it a Berdan rifle, although I am sure Colonel Berdan never had anything to do with it. In fact it looks more like a Wesson rifle than what is usually called a Berdan rifle, like that one for example :

Mine was made by BLG (I am a fan of that maker) in 1968, and bears also the stamp "Euromanuarms", which I have yet to see on any other arm, long or short (if you have any info concerning that company, please let me know).
This is what it looked like when I bought it :

and this is how it looks now, after I cleaned it and de-blued the barrel and box in vinegar :

Of course, I had to put it to pieces in order to do it...

I did not like the black look of the box

To my taste, it looks better so

It gave me the opportunity to check the inside of the box

I also prefer the current look of the barrel to its former black


By the way, here is an excerpt from the catalogue where it was advertised at the time :


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Re: Berdan rifle (at least according to the catalogue entry)
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 03:24:09 PM »
Sweet! I like the antiqued look. I feel your pain regarding the Winchester but you found a clever way around it. I have a nice Lyman Trade Rifle half-stock Hawken that is as much fun to shoot as my revolvers (some times more!) and a Lyman Plains Pistol single shot as well. They are both a hoot to shoot and use the same ball/patch load.

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php?topic=142.0

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Re: Berdan rifle (at least according to the catalogue entry)
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2016, 04:00:45 PM »

Mine was made by BLG (I am a fan of that maker) in 1968, and bears also the stamp "Euromanuarms", which I have yet to see on any other arm, long or short (if you have any info concerning that company, please let me know).

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There were a number of makers (and importers) in the 60s and 70s. Among the lesser known makers were PR (Pierino Ruschetta imported by FIE of FL); GLB (Giacosa Luciano Brescia who started Euromanuarms or Giscosa IT, also imported by FIE); MOFRA (Mainardi Officina Fabrica Replica Armi); Palmetto, Rigarmi and a bunch of others.

See post #7 by Fingers.

http://www.coltforum.com/forums/colt-percussion-revolvers/90647-need-help-markings-my-1972-made-1851-navy-revolver.html

More:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://poudrenoire.free.fr/marquages/marquage%2520euromanuarms.html&prev=search

And more (see post #5 by Poudrenoire)

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GB  possibility of  Bad typing GLB   ,  B inside L inside G    so GLB = Giacosa Luciano  Brescia    manufacturer Euromanuarms .

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/revolvers/index.php?topic=39.0

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The best information that I've been able to dig up indicates that this logo is "LGB" and stands for Luciano Giacosa of Brescia, Italy.


http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340072&page=3 (see post #53)

To add to the confusion, see Dr. Jim L. Davis' Table 1:

http://rprca.tripod.com/Schneider.html

Your call...

Very nice rifle, sir.

Jim



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Re: Berdan rifle (at least according to the catalogue entry)
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2016, 03:01:31 AM »
Thanks for the research and the links, Jim.
There is precious few information floating around about the GLB company, and I guess you rounded it all.
There is even less info about Euromanuarms. The statement that it was started by GLB comes from that very gun I introduced a couple postings above. As far as I know, it is the only gun showing both markings, and  the only replica showing the Euromanuarms mark. Anything you can find on the Net about the link between GLB and Eromanuarms comes from that post : http://poudrenoire-free-fr.superforum.fr/t107-marquage-euromanuarms#424 and I am the "Woody" he mentions (I am known as Ringo-Woody on that forum).
There are other postings about a 12 gauge sxs (whatever that may be) bearing the same brand (Euromanuarms), but they don't give any info, and no picture either.
So if anyone owns any kind of gun branded Euromanuarms, ar has any other reliable first hand info about Euromanuarms, I would be very grateful if they'd let me know.

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Re: Berdan rifle (at least according to the catalogue entry)
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2016, 06:23:29 AM »
The "12 gauge sxs" means a side-by-side double barreled shotgun, I believe.

Jim

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Re: Berdan rifle (at least according to the catalogue entry)
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2016, 06:44:38 AM »
The "12 gauge sxs" means a side-by-side double barreled shotgun, I believe.

Jim
Yes, that must be it. Thanks, Jim.
Now, if I only could find a photo with the markings, it might help us learn some more.  *j(

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Re: Berdan rifle (at least according to the catalogue entry)
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2017, 08:32:41 AM »
It took me more than a year since I posted here (in fact it took me more than 5 years since I started my search) but I have found another gun bearing the Euromanuarms marking.
The thing is it is not a GLB, and neither is it a replica :

As you can see, it is a side by side shotgun, same kind as I mentioned before, except it is a 16 gauge.
Now for the markings inside the frame :

They show that the gun has been made in 1970 (XXVI) by FIAGG (the maker's mark, although faint, can be seen below the serial number). FIAGG is the acronym standing for Fabbrica Italiana Armi Gnali Graziano, aka Armi Gnali, a rather rather well-known Italian shotguns maker.

The Euromanuarms marking being present on guns made by two different gunsmiths, we can infer that it was not a gunsmith's mark but rather a wholesaler's, probably not more bound to one than to the other. We can add that is was in business at least between 1968 and 1970. Until we find another gun bearing this mark, i'd say this is about all we can claim about it.