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what am i looking at here
« on: March 02, 2017, 09:19:03 PM »
i thought there was no such thing as a 51 in 44...

http://classic.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=14413650

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Re: what am i looking at here
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2017, 12:46:10 AM »
i thought there was no such thing as a 51 in 44...

http://classic.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=14413650

There wasn't. That's not a .44. You can tell a .36 from a .44 because a .44 has a rebated cylinder and water table. Somebody also destroyed about 700 bucks worth of value by chrome plating it.

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2017, 04:45:48 AM »
Can't believe someone did that to an original.  Is a chrome plating finish thin enough to not fill in the serial numbers?

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Re: what am i looking at here
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2017, 04:50:44 AM »
Yep it's a .36 cal.   Picture isn't good but you can see the cylinder isn't rebated.   .44 is a typo or the author I misinformed.     Too bad it's chromed.   Reblued is bad enough but plated is worse.
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Re: what am i looking at here
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2017, 06:51:06 AM »
Hi, doubt if it is chromed, probably nickel. The grip looks too good to be old.

I wouldn't go near that revolver with a ten foot pole.

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Re: what am i looking at here
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2017, 10:35:46 AM »
Appears to be nickel, not chrome. And definitely a .36. I agree with Hawg...devalued out the window.
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Re: what am i looking at here
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2017, 01:50:19 PM »
I guess it could be nickel but some of the close ups look too shiny.

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Re: what am i looking at here
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2017, 05:10:02 PM »
i thought there was no such thing as a 51 in 44...

http://classic.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=14413650

There wasn't. That's not a .44. You can tell a .36 from a .44 because a .44 has a rebated cylinder and water table. Somebody also destroyed about 700 bucks worth of value by chrome plating it.

dammit, i never think to look at the cylinders... ugh, one of these days i'll really start paying attention to the colts...

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2017, 05:12:19 PM »
look at the brass, is it me or does it look like there is clearcoat pealing off??? i bet the screws are all metric...

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2017, 10:39:18 PM »
look at the brass, is it me or does it look like there is clearcoat pealing off??? i bet the screws are all metric...

It could be clear coat but it's an original gun. Somebody took a POS beater, wire brushed the rust off of it and had it plated. Later on somebody replaced the wedge and nipples. It looks like the damage to the hammer nose was done after it was plated.

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Re: what am i looking at here
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2017, 02:15:15 PM »
i thought there was no such thing as a 51 in 44...

http://classic.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=14413650

There wasn't. That's not a .44. You can tell a .36 from a .44 because a .44 has a rebated cylinder and water table. Somebody also destroyed about 700 bucks worth of value by chrome plating it.

The auction link specifically states it is a .36. I agree with Hawg  about the value of the pistol. As the last current bid is $315, it has little collector interest. Might be a very nice wallhanger.

I know this is an "original" Colt 1851 Navy that has been "purtied up", most likely in the 60's to make it more "presentable" (my father was one of those guys who loved the buffing wheel and refinishing original wood: sigh!), but I would like to weigh in on replica 1851 Navy type pistols insofar as the .44 rebated cylinder on an 1851 Navy brass frame, which is absolutely historically incorrect.

Please do not run with the idea that all replica 1851 Navy type frames with a rebated cylinder/stepped water table are the only way a replica 1851 Navy type can be a .44 Pistol.

Pietta has created a J.H. Dance and Brothers .44 on an 1851 Navy steel type frame (nothing more than an 1851 Navy frame with the recoil shield milled off). It has a straight cylinder (no rebate) and no stepped water table cut. However, their .44 cylinder is much larger in diameter than their standard .36 cylinder, which says that the factory milled down the water table to allow the cylinder to fit, and also modified the cylinder stop bolt.

There is a guy hereabouts (rcampbell) who knows a lot about that.

Sorry, I am OT.

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Re: what am i looking at here
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2017, 06:56:40 PM »
i thought there was no such thing as a 51 in 44...

http://classic.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=14413650

There wasn't. That's not a .44. You can tell a .36 from a .44 because a .44 has a rebated cylinder and water table. Somebody also destroyed about 700 bucks worth of value by chrome plating it.

The auction link specifically states it is a .36. I agree with Hawg  about the value of the pistol. As the last current bid is $315, it has little collector interest. Might be a very nice wallhanger.

I know this is an "original" Colt 1851 Navy that has been "purtied up", most likely in the 60's to make it more "presentable" (my father was one of those guys who loved the buffing wheel and refinishing original wood: sigh!), but I would like to weigh in on replica 1851 Navy type pistols insofar as the .44 rebated cylinder on an 1851 Navy brass frame, which is absolutely historically incorrect.

Please do not run with the idea that all replica 1851 Navy type frames with a rebated cylinder/stepped water table are the only way a replica 1851 Navy type can be a .44 Pistol.

Pietta has created a J.H. Dance and Brothers .44 on an 1851 Navy steel type frame (nothing more than an 1851 Navy frame with the recoil shield milled off). It has a straight cylinder (no rebate) and no stepped water table cut. However, their .44 cylinder is much larger in diameter than their standard .36 cylinder, which says that the factory milled down the water table to allow the cylinder to fit, and also modified the cylinder stop bolt.

There is a guy hereabouts (rcampbell) who knows a lot about that.

Sorry, I am OT.

Regards,

Jim

the ad originally listed it as an 1851 in .44 made in 1860, he changed it somewhere along the line...
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Re: what am i looking at here
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2017, 10:05:51 PM »
Somebody ruined that revolver and turned it into a pimp's paperweight. J*j ^j) K*_