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Title: 62 police question
Post by: oldfart on March 14, 2017, 01:05:37 PM
how much smaller is the 62 compared to the 51 navy ?
could someone post a picture of the two together?
I have the  51 navy and am thinking of the 62 police or the 49 pocket

anyone have side by side pics of all 3 ?

don't know if i want to go with a .31 caliber but id like one of the smallest pistols,short and light
 and have read the 62 is the same size as the 49 but in .36
then I'm gonna go for the BIG BOY walker kit

thank you very much
John
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: Hewy on March 14, 2017, 01:32:24 PM
Here is my 1851 Navy (Pietta)  and my 1862 Police.(Uberti)
I don't have a 49 to compare.
Note when you search for reproductions the 62 Police  Uberti 5 shot .36  is closer to
originals. A Pietta I believe is a little larger and is a 6 shot .36 .

Check out ads for both, you will get more detail on specs.
Sorry photo didn't posted correctly.
But do ad searches that will help you...good luck.
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: Hewy on March 14, 2017, 01:59:50 PM
This might work.
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: G Dog on March 14, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
Hi O/F - This is one of Bishop Creekís excellent photos of some of his guns.  You will note the í62 at the bottom compared to the two 1851ís immediately above it.

(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q586/GDog09/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/bishop%20creek%20colt%20forum.jpg) (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/GDog09/media/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/bishop%20creek%20colt%20forum.jpg.html)

The Pietta .36 Remington Police is full frame - same as their .44ís and the heaviest Rem I own.  If you are looking for small, forget that one.  It's a cool gun, but neither small nor light.  From you comments I infer that a Colt 1862 would suit you to a Tee.  They are just plain beautiful, and smallish.

>>    Thanks for the use of your photo BC, itís a fine comparative study.    <<
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: Bishop Creek on March 14, 2017, 02:33:27 PM
>>    Thanks for the use of your photo BC, itís a fine comparative study.    <<

You're welcome G Dog! Feel free to repost my pics anytime.
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: ssb73q on March 14, 2017, 03:36:09 PM
Hi John, know that the smaller the Colt type revolver, the more a capsucker. A potential issue for the Uberti 1862 is that other than a .22, there is no conversion cylinder available. The Pietta 1862 is more like an 1861, but more useful since there are conversion cylinders for that model. The Pietta is also much lower cost and 1851 Pietta cylinders can be used with it.

My Uberti 1862 is mostly a display piece.

Difference between Pietta and Uberti 1862, Pietta on top:
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a549/ssb73q/Pietta%201862_zpsievbhywl.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/ssb73q/media/Pietta%201862_zpsievbhywl.jpg.html)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: oldfart on March 14, 2017, 05:02:39 PM
thank you very much,

I have the REM 1858
the 1851 navy
and the 1860 army
(all piettas)

and i know going large is to go with the walker,

the piettas in she 62 isn't the real frame size, where as the ubertie would be,

so its really come down to the Ubertie 1849 in .31 or the  62 police in .36
im not worried about the cap sucking as i used to play with a lathe and mill and have read about the pin fix,

not looking to go with brass cases, I've other pistols for that
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: 99whip on March 14, 2017, 05:41:11 PM
Oldfart,

I don't have a pic of all three, but, you probably already know this, the 49 and 62 Police are both built from the same frame, with the police frame and cylinder being rebated for the larger ball.  Overall, they are about the same size (save the differences in barrel length/design). 

I have an Uberti Pocket Model with 4 in. barrel and want to add a Police version also.  You would enjoy either one, the small ones are fun to handle, carry around, shoot, etc.  whatever you decide, please post some pics when you get it.

Whip


Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: BOOMSTICK BRUCE on March 14, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
i have a uberti 62 .36 for sale... open to offers/trades...
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: Holeinhide on March 14, 2017, 06:15:13 PM
Here is a photo with a 62, 49 and 51 next to each other. IMHO the 62 actually balances better than the 49. The 49 and 62 are ubertis the 51 is a pieta. The 1862 pieta is really an 1861 and is not even close to the original in size.
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: oldfart on March 14, 2017, 07:25:34 PM
i have a uberti 62 .36 for sale... open to offers/trades...

pic?
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: BOOMSTICK BRUCE on March 14, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
here

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php?topic=2260.0
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: Hawg on March 14, 2017, 09:33:48 PM
The 62 is a 49 frame with a rebated cylinder. Except for Pietta they use the 51 navy frame.
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: G Dog on March 14, 2017, 10:39:49 PM
The Pietta ď1862Ē should be more correctly labeled as a chopped Colt 1861 with a semi-fluted cylinder; thatís what it is.  The shorter barrel is perfectly historic (although not manufactured as such) and the half flutes are not.  Hella handsome pistol notwithstanding whatever they may have decided to call it, flutes and all.  I like em.
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: ssb73q on March 15, 2017, 03:52:43 AM
Hi, the 1862 is built on the same frame as the 1849, the 1862 on top, see:

(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a549/ssb73q/Pockets_zps0330d471.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/ssb73q/media/Pockets_zps0330d471.jpg.html)

Some little ones, 1849s and 1863s:

(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a549/ssb73q/Small_zps694a2ceb.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/ssb73q/media/Small_zps694a2ceb.jpg.html)

The top 1863 has .32 S&W conversion cylinder.

The little ones are fun to hold, the larger framed revolvers are the ones to shoot.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: StrawHat on March 15, 2017, 04:22:18 AM
The Pocket Police (round barrel and improved lever) and Pocket Navy (octagonal barrel and old style lever) are the only 36 caliber revolvers with any recoil.  Both are a hoot to shoot but I am partial to the Pocket Police.  Originally built on the 31 caliber frame and copied as such by Uberti, they are only five shots but much more easily carried.  Pietta chose to cheap out and not retool and what they call an 1862 is merely a short barreled version of Colt's Improved Navy revolver.  Not a bad revolver but not a Pocket Navy.

None of mine have cap sucking issues but I install a post on them.  As for shooting cartridges, it seems you and I are in agreement, we have other revolvers for that purpose.

I do not currently have a photo of the three revolvers but believe I have posted such in the past.

If you have any questions, sent me an email as I am not often on the forum anymore.

Kevin
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: jaxenro on March 15, 2017, 04:32:06 AM
My favorite to shoot is a 1862/5 I had Mike hop up. I like the smaller grips

To go to the original question the pocket size frame (1849/62) is about 2/3 the size of the belt size 1851/60/61)

Colt essentially made three frame sizes Pocket, Belt, and Holster. The pocket was originally 31 and the belt 36 but they were later rebated to use a larger caliber (36 and 44 respectively)

The holster (horse holster) size was never rebated although I wish one of the Italians would do it as that would bump it up to 54 or 56 and that would be a true monster. I think only Uberti makes the holster frame size now, and the belt, and they tend to shy away from the fantasy pieces like that would be

For the most part the rebated cylinder guns use the new round barrel with the creeping loading lever although Colt couldn't keep up with the demand for the 1862 Pocket Model of Navy Caliber so they altered the old 1849 tooling to 36 and created what collectors call the 1865 Navy (which makes no sense as Navy refers to caliber [36] not loading lever and barrel design)
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: scooby on March 15, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
I have seen it refered to by gun scribes and collectors as The New Model Pocket Pistol of Navy Caliber, or The Pocket Navy Revolver.
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: jaxenro on March 16, 2017, 04:58:45 AM
I have seen it refered to by gun scribes and collectors as The New Model Pocket Pistol of Navy Caliber, or The Pocket Navy Revolver.

I think that is how Colt sold it as the New Model Pocket of Navy Caliber

Navy always referred to caliber (36) not design. Army was 44. Frame size was Pocket, Belt, and Holster
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: oldfart on March 21, 2017, 04:57:10 PM
got to fondle a pocket navy colt 2cd generation today at my local cabalas 
I fell in love with it,  but didn't like the 500+ price,

there was a Baby Dragoon Colt 2cd also, cylinder wouldn't spin when it was on half cock, and they still wanted 500+ for it,

Ill just save up and buy a uberti,,,
the Paterson took my savings i had,,LOL  but me happy
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: Krylandalian on October 05, 2017, 12:48:00 AM
Reading this, from a performance point of view, I fired the 1849 Pocket and the Pocket Police from 25 yards at a sheet steel siding piece.  The .31 dented it and the .36 went through it.

I was surprised as to how powerful the .36 Pockets are.

Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: Captainkirk on October 05, 2017, 06:36:50 PM
Reading this, from a performance point of view, I fired the 1849 Pocket and the Pocket Police from 25 yards at a sheet steel siding piece.  The .31 dented it and the .36 went through it.

I was surprised as to how powerful the .36 Pockets are.

I wouldn't expect them to be much less powerful than a Navy. Ask Davis Tutt about that one...
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: Krylandalian on October 08, 2017, 11:44:11 PM
Can t  be done!  He s  dead!  Downed by a ball from either a Colts patent revolving belt pistol, or of the heavy four pounder, old Army types.  The ones carrying a ball of holster caliber.
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: G Dog on October 16, 2017, 09:25:29 PM
For town, a .36 is obviously adequate but out in the baddies a .44 would be more to the point.
Title: Re: 62 police question
Post by: sourdough on October 17, 2017, 05:12:05 PM
I hope you are talking about 1860 Army pistols. I abhor the Pietta .44 versions of the 1851 Navy.