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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #60 on: April 08, 2017, 10:15:58 AM »
Hi, I totally removed all the Pietta Paterson parts today and again stoned the moving parts. After assembly the Paterson is worst than before, a bummer. The cylinder now over rotates if cocked fast. For some reason the bolt is somewhat too short and only engages the cylinder lockup hole to the rear of the cylinder registration holes. Reviews of the Pietta Paterson also report the same issue. Based on what Mike and scooby report, I suggest that you get a used Uberti Paterson if you want a reliable shooter.

I am looking forward to what Fingers reports on having Goon's do an action job on his Pietta Paterson.

Tuning my Pietta Paterson is a bridge too far for me.

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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #61 on: April 08, 2017, 06:15:40 PM »
Richard, I suggest you contact the Goon (Mike Brackett) and let him have a shot at it. The action on both guns he worked for me has to be experienced to be believed.
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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2017, 10:32:03 AM »
Hi, I ordered a few more parts for the Pietta Paterson. I talked to Ryan at Taylor Firearms about the lack of replacement parts for the Paterson's. Getting Pietta Paterson parts has been difficult, Uberti almost impossible.

IMO if you ever think you would like to own a replica Paterson, act quickly or forever hold your peace.

Notice on how original Patersons now go for over $250k. It wouldn't surprise me if we soon see used replicas for over $2k.

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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #63 on: April 12, 2017, 06:50:27 AM »
Hi, in the past I have pissed and moaned about the very heavy hammer and trigger pull of my Pietta Paterson. Forget any good accuracy with a trigger pull as heavy as a New York State Trooper's Glock. With the arrival of a replacement Paterson hammer mainspring, I reduced the width of that spring to reduce the mainspring force. Initially a bench grinder was used, but I soon found that I could do a better job with a hand held dremel tool with a sanding ring. This is a comparison between the original spring and the modified spring: 



The original spring is on the left.

Hammer pull is now very nice and the trigger pull went from over 8lbs with the original spring to ~5lb with the modified spring. The functioning of the revolver is now a lot smoother.

It will now be necessary to shoot the revolver to see if hammer blow back will occur. I have seen reports where Paterson hammer blow back will begin to rotate the cylinder, not a good thing. If hammer blow back does occur with the reduced force spring, I may try length sizing the SliXShot nipples and using them to minimize hammer blow back.

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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2017, 09:17:57 AM »
Hi, getting parts for the Pietta Paterson has been a struggle. I heard back from Taylors that my ordered Paterson cylinder is now back in stock and being sent to me.

Since the Paterson cylinder is more easily loaded off the revolver, extra Paterson cylinders are useful.

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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2017, 10:02:01 AM »
Hi, I'm about ready to get back into my Pietta Paterson. The barrel is difficult to remove, the trigger pull is still too strong. The internet is full of information on most everything other on taming a Pietta Paterson. With 17 more parts than an 1851, it is a engineering nightmare. Has anyone here been able to satisfactory tame their Paterson? Inquiring minds need to know.

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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2017, 08:09:40 PM »
Richard:  I have a Uberti Paterson.  I took it apart as far as removing the water table and stopped there.  Took me forever to get it back together correctly.  Good luck!

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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2017, 08:32:13 PM »
My Paterson is an Uberti also.   I have had it apart and reassembled several times with no problems.   Mine works smoothly and is easily loaded with the loading tool so I can't give you much advice.

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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #68 on: August 06, 2017, 12:28:52 PM »
Hi, I began to again work on the Pietta Paterson. The first issue addressed is the difficulty of removing and reinstalling the barrel. Using feeler gauges, I determined that a shim of ~0.008" needs to be added to the front bottom of the recoil shield/arbor part. With the shim in place the barrel can be easily removed and reinstalled. Brass shims have been ordered to correct this problem. The other issue I noticed is that the hammer spring is somewhat twisted where the hammer hits the left side of the recoil shield. I have a couple of new hammer springs that can be used to resolve this issue.

IMO there are many reasons why the Paterson put Colt into Chapter 11.

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Richard
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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2017, 09:06:39 AM »
Hi, while waiting for the shim material to arrive, I am considering adding a taller dovetail front sight to the Paterson. My Paterson shoots very high where a taller front sight should do wonders. I have been searching for a reference where a dovetail front sight is on a Paterson, but find nothing.

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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2017, 04:27:11 AM »
Hi, Paterson dovetail roughed in:



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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2017, 08:20:55 AM »
Hi, the Paterson dovetail tall front sight has been completed:





The tall front sight will be cut down at the range to have poi=poa @25yds.

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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2017, 05:37:32 AM »
Hi, the shim material arrived where I cut an 0.008" brass shim for the front of the recoil shield. You can see the shim (brass at the lower front of the recoil shield) here:



The Paterson barrel now removes and installs with no difficulty. A new mainspring was narrowed and installed in the revolver. This is the revolver ready to shoot:



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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #73 on: August 13, 2017, 12:43:41 PM »
Hi, the Paterson with the new tall sight has been sighted in. Using a tripod it only took 5 shots to get the revolver sighted in poi=poa @25yds. I was using hand cast .380" balls with 20gr by volume (~18gr weight) Black MZ. I have an extra cylinder so was able to shoot a number of times before reloading. The brass shim fix to the revolver allows very easy barrel removal and installation. The new buffalo target got blasted. Due to the heavy trigger pull, I was only able to get ~3" groups from 25yds using a two handed hold. Not bad for an antique of a design Paterson. There were no issues using the ground down hammer spring, the hammer didn't blow back in the least. This is the revolver sighted in and cleaned:



The only unintended concequence was that the revolver with the taller sight won't fit in the holster Mike made for me. If you are interested in a very lightly used lined natural leather Paterson holster PM me to discuss cost.

There is one thing more I intend on doing to this Paterson. The barrel/cylinder gap of 0.002" is too close where I need to replace the brass arbor extension. If the metal of the Paterson arbor is soft enough I will drill a hole in the end of the arbor to insert a set screw that can be adjusted for barrel/cylinder gap.

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Richard
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Re: EMF Paterson on sale
« Reply #74 on: August 13, 2017, 01:55:24 PM »
I can make the new sight fit the holster Richard.  Just send it to me and I'll take care of it.   (No charge of course)