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Conical bullet paper cartridges
« on: March 18, 2017, 07:43:13 PM »
I bought  a bullet mold from a guy who had Lee Precision make a copy of the conical bullet used in the original Johnston and Dow waterproof cartridges that were patented in 1862.    I used the bullet to make an approximation of the original cartridge except that this one is paper and the original was made of gut.   Mine is not waterproof either.   
The cartridge holds 30 grains FFFg, a lube cookie and is topped off with the 216 grain heel based conical.   The bullet measure .429 at the base and .460 at the driving band.    My 1860 Uberti has a ram that accommodates pointed bullets so that will be the revolver I use for firing these cartridges.





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Re: Conical bullet paper cartridges
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2017, 10:13:35 PM »
your rammer is shaped like the bullet?

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Re: Conical bullet paper cartridges
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 05:17:09 AM »
your rammer is shaped like the bullet?
Yes this Uberti has a rammer made for pointed bullets.  It's not an exact fit but it's close.   

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Re: Conical bullet paper cartridges
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2017, 06:40:19 AM »
Most excellent Mike. Your cartridges look great. And that is a nice touch picking up a few of those cartridge boxes.

Lee should put that mould into regular production.

Once in a while, I see where someone has dug up an intact musket cartridge with the gut casing and powder still intact. I have also seen Johnston and Dow unopened revolver packages for sale at times.

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Re: Conical bullet paper cartridges
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 07:12:44 AM »
Hi, I wonder if commercial fireworks tubing could be used to make cartridges. I am a klutz winding thin paper into paper cartridges. I came across this product, see:

http://www.pyrodirect.com/Item/065-0024

Nitrated paper could then be glued to an open end with a ball glued to the other. Maybe even nitrate the tube paper to allow complete burning?

Anyone think that this idea has merit?

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Re: Conical bullet paper cartridges
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2017, 08:52:05 AM »
Charlie Hahn makes cartridges for and sells tubes like that for breech loading rifles.  I've never seen the cardboard tubes for revolvers.  I think it would limit the amount of powder one could load.

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Re: Conical bullet paper cartridges
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 11:23:19 AM »
Hi Mike, the wall thickness is only 0.015" thick. Since I don't load with a maximum loading potential, there should be enough room for 30gr by volume powder. I ordered some of those tubes and will give it a try.

During compression, the tube should break to allow no air space in the loading. If this works it will allow my thick thumb to make some paper cartridges. I'll report back what I learn.

BTW, shipping for these tubes is lower cost on this site:
http://www.buycannonfuse.com/Item/065-0024

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Re: Conical bullet paper cartridges
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2017, 12:00:52 PM »
If 30 grains would fit then you'll be set Richard.  Hopefully the tube will crush easy enough.

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Re: Conical bullet paper cartridges
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2017, 04:43:38 AM »
Hi, I received the paper tubes yesterday. They have a much thicker wall than what was described and can't be used for paper cartridges. My money was refunded and since I can't find anyone with thin walled paper tubing with correct dimensions, this paper tube cartridge project is dead.

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