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Navy Models / Re: Picked up this salty Navy.
« Last post by pitfighter on May 20, 2018, 09:23:05 PM »
Grip frame looks Pietta to me.

Yes, I agree on the OP Navy - That is what I'm thinking (I have examined the frames on Ebay: Pietta and Navy Arms and it doesn't quite match so, some other Italian replica trigger-frame possibly) - as I mentioned earlier in the thread, the "bevel" gives it away.

I've seen originals where the trigger guard get's bent or damaged, and the need to replace it occurs - no surprise revelations here - this was bought for an amount which made such information acceptable.
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Navy Models / Re: Picked up this salty Navy.
« Last post by Captainkirk on May 20, 2018, 08:30:15 PM »
Grip frame looks Pietta to me.
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Navy Models / Re: Picked up this salty Navy.
« Last post by pitfighter on May 20, 2018, 08:16:03 PM »
I noticed there's a "step" down where the barrel meets the frame. Haven't seen such a design before. Is that the effect of backing the barrel? Just curious.


Good eye - just another peculiarity with this revolver.
It is a really snug and tight fight, contrary to the gap that appears in the photos, lol - again, it is an anachronism, and could have been hand fitted, using a file, causing the "step" -
This has been repaired since it first started going wrong, replacement screws, parts, over the years.

It was hanging over a bar in Nevada, and had been there some years when the owner bought it in the early seventies.

I do know the brass trigger guard is not a Colt original, because of the "bevel" quality - but, who knows from whence it came, maybe off an early Italian, reproduction, hand fitted to the real upper?

It's fun doing detective work on these isn't it - worth the price of admission.

*Wait until I post the first pattern Dragoon I stumbled across - we, (novice collectors here in the back-country) think it's a hand made pre-Italian replica, not a single original Colt part, but, lovingly a cloned fake, including a correct range serial number.


Have not had a chance to properly photograph it - selling off a bunch of my WW2 collection which is taking time.
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Navy Models / Re: Picked up this salty Navy.
« Last post by Len on May 20, 2018, 12:53:30 PM »
I noticed there's a "step" down where the barrel meets the frame. Haven't seen such a design before. Is that the effect of backing the barrel? Just curious.
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Navy Models / Re: Picked up this salty Navy.
« Last post by pitfighter on May 20, 2018, 09:42:26 AM »

I wouldn't call that a scallop, it's a bevel.

Then a "Bevel" it is - !

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Navy Models / Re: Picked up this salty Navy.
« Last post by Hawg on May 20, 2018, 08:52:53 AM »
Examine the "edge" where the brass trigger guard meets the steel of the frame -

On original Colt's and even my Metropolitan Clone, the brass has a beautifully "scalloped" angled edge, 45 degrees of even less-steep, with a sharp-beautiful precise factory ridge-edge.

I wouldn't call that a scallop, it's a bevel.
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Navy Models / Re: Picked up this salty Navy.
« Last post by pitfighter on May 20, 2018, 12:04:21 AM »

I am no expert, but a lot of replica ASM Navy trigger guards look like that, also around the two rear TG screws. No idea why the serial numbers are the same.

Jim

You are correct.

A few replica models have that edge - but no originals I have seen at all.
So, maybe a reproduction trigger guard to replace a damaged original - I simply don't know.

Yes,Miguel Loco, the spurs are cool looking aren't they. 
There were lots in this particular antique mall, I think they had been there a long time.
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Navy Models / Re: Picked up this salty Navy.
« Last post by Miguel Loco on May 19, 2018, 05:38:33 PM »
Love the Mexican rowel spurs.....nice touch. Wouldn't mind having a pair myself.
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Navy Models / Re: Picked up this salty Navy.
« Last post by sourdough on May 19, 2018, 12:27:35 PM »
Examine the "edge" where the brass trigger guard meets the steel of the frame -

On original Colt's and even my Metropolitan Clone, the brass has a beautifully "scalloped" angled edge, 45 degrees of even less-steep, with a sharp-beautiful precise factory ridge-edge.

On this old Navy - the brass trigger guard has crude "rounded edge". 
It has not been shortened as the width is identical to the original.  It is just a cruder work job.

The reason this is problematic is that the revolver has some home made stamps, the ".36 cal"  and "Colt Pat." - completely Bubba, as is the replacement serial on the back strap.
But the serial on the frame, guard and barrel assembly looks original - and is a matching stamp - so, if the trigger guard is a replacement, then all of the serial numbers are fake - so, problematic.

Potentially a crude period replacement, or a crude Colt copy - the investigative work ends here for me, lol.

But, I like the revolver.

I am no expert, but a lot of replica ASM Navy trigger guards look like that, also around the two rear TG screws. No idea why the serial numbers are the same.

Jim
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Navy Models / Re: Picked up this salty Navy.
« Last post by pitfighter on May 19, 2018, 11:21:20 AM »
Examine the "edge" where the brass trigger guard meets the steel of the frame -

On original Colt's and even my Metropolitan Clone, the brass has a beautifully "scalloped" angled edge, 45 degrees of even less-steep, with a sharp-beautiful precise factory ridge-edge.

On this old Navy - the brass trigger guard has crude "rounded edge". 
It has not been shortened as the width is identical to the original.  It is just a cruder work job.

The reason this is problematic is that the revolver has some home made stamps, the ".36 cal"  and "Colt Pat." - completely Bubba, as is the replacement serial on the back strap.
But the serial on the frame, guard and barrel assembly looks original - and is a matching stamp - so, if the trigger guard is a replacement, then all of the serial numbers are fake - so, problematic.

Potentially a crude period replacement, or a crude Colt copy - the investigative work ends here for me, lol.

But, I like the revolver.
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