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Navy Models / Re: Colt Percussion Navy May 1843 On GB
« on: September 10, 2017, 11:33:16 AM »
He's still got it listed, Buy It Now is down to $395 buy now.

Item # 692732963

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Navy Models / Re: Another Proud Misrepresentation On GB
« on: September 10, 2017, 11:26:17 AM »
IIRC CVA incorrectly called this pistol an "1861 Navy".  Seems the seller is just perpetuating that mis-identification.

I usually 'ask seller a question' pointing out their errors in listings.  Some are grateful for the information, some never reply, and some get absolutely incensed that I had the gall to question their expertise. There are a couple sellers I won't have anything to do with because of their poor attitudes, no matter if they have something I want or not.

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Colt Collecting / Help Wanted - Updated information
« on: September 01, 2017, 10:55:05 AM »
Update 31 August 2017

While I haven't seen or heard of any of these rare Ubertis lately; I know there are still a bunch of them out there somewhere. So............ Let's update this request for info. 

I am seeking the location of, and any information available on a line of stainless steel percussion Colt revolvers made by Uberti and imported by Allen Firearms, Santa Fe, NM; Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Inc. Angleton, TX, Uberti USA, and possibly others in the early to mid '80s. Phil Spangenberger did an article about these stainless revolvers in the October 1983 issue of Guns and Ammo Magazine. According to the article, the models that were being imported were the 1851 Navy, 1860 Army, 1861 Navy, 1862 Pocket Navy, and 1862 Pocket police. Thanks to Dr. J.L. Davis of RPRCA, Claremore, OK, I have a 1984 price list for Uberti products that lists fourteen different models of Stainless Steel Colts produced by Uberti at that time. Subsequent price lists expanded the line to 16 models by adding 4 ½ inch barreled Pocket Navy and Pocket Police. The complete model list, known so far, is:

1851 Navy, Oval Triggerguard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy Squareback Triggerguard Revolver, Cal. .36 *@
1851 Navy “Sheriff’s Model” Oval Triggerguard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1851 Navy “Sheriff’s Model” Squareback Triggerguard Revolver, Cal. .36
1860 Army Military, Cut For Stock, Cal. .44 *@
1860 Army Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .44*@
1861 Navy Military, Cut For Stock, Revolver, Cal. .36 * @
1861 Navy Civilian, Revolver, Cal. .36
1861 Navy Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36*
1861 Navy Civilian, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”*@
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*@
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*@
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
(* - have identified location of examples of these models)
(@ - have this model)

Total known is now 29 32 as of 31 August 2017. I have seven  nine of these revolvers and know of twenty three others in hands of other collectors or BP shooters. Since the last update, an 1860 Army has been found in Spain, and I acquired a pair of 1851 Navies one of which has a consecutive serial number to the first SS Navy I bought 11 years ago.

Anyone with information concerning Allen Firearms, Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply or any other Uberti Stainless Steel Colt style revolvers is requested to contact fingersmcgee@charter.net I am seeking information as to models, manufacture dates, serial numbers, barrel markings, barrel lengths, trigger guards, and any other characteristics as well as any catalog, brochure and original packaging information.

Of course, if anyone has any for sale, I would be interested in that also.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee

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Navy Models / Re: Colt Percussion Navy May 1843 On GB
« on: August 22, 2017, 08:29:18 PM »
Did ASM make repro 1951 "Navy" brasser .44 pistols with short barrel/load lever?

Pretty sure they did. Pietta and ASM were the main ones making 44 navy brassers. Euroarms may have but I don't think they made them with short barrels. Uberti made some in the beginning but again I don't think they made short barrels. I could be wrong on all counts tho.

Not sure about Euroarms; but Uberti did make some 36 cal brass framed Sheriffs models prior to 1980 (? -  maybe later too). 

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Pocket Models / Re: Colt pocket 380 ACP
« on: August 15, 2017, 04:26:55 PM »
I'm assuming they are on the Cimarron site.  I cant find them though.  You have the link?

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Fingers McGee, what is your view of a fair price for the basic line-up? (pretty much NIB condition etc.) Depends on whether I'm buying or selling.  What I would consider fair for a no nonsense, 100%, New In the Box example would be in the neighborhood of:

Walker  $900.00

1848 Pocket  $600.00

Dragoons  $675.00 to $700.00

Navies  $600.00 (1851) - $700.00 (1861)

Army $700.00 (rebated cyl) $750.00 (fluted cyl)

Pocket .36s $600.00

Going to the Simpson Limited ad.  The bottom two Dragoons are priced about right.   The cased 1851 Navies are too high for not having the original boxes and having non Colt case and accessories. The cased 3rd model Dragoon is all Colt; but, the original black box is missing. Pocket Navy is a good price.

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Not Cheap.

Edit - Overall not cheap - some decent price.

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General Discussion / Re: 2nd/3rd Gen similarities
« on: August 11, 2017, 09:43:18 AM »
Scrutinizing the engravings on the  C  F  and 3rd gens, they seem to be all the same.  Do you think Uberti did all of them?  I mean the C s  were done by, basically the same folks,- Val, Lou and Iver (Iver s  works) ?

No, I don't think Uberti did them all.  If you compare ASMs, Armi San Paolos, Piettas and all the other roll engraved cylinders, they mostly all look alike. 

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Army Models / Re: 1860 Signature Series
« on: July 30, 2017, 09:10:26 AM »
They're no more a Colt than a Colt marked Zippo lighter.

I've got one of those.  Colt Royal Blue, not that cheap imitation blue/black of the Signature Series.  You mean the guy that sold it to me as an authentic Colt was lying?    *9+

Well ummm actually. Yep!  (7+"

 ^j)   :'(

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Army Models / Re: 1860 Signature Series
« on: July 28, 2017, 08:45:12 PM »
They're no more a Colt than a Colt marked Zippo lighter.

I've got one of those.  Colt Royal Blue, not that cheap imitation blue/black of the Signature Series.  You mean the guy that sold it to me as an authentic Colt was lying?    *9+

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Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Tucker and Sherrard on Gunbroker
« on: July 27, 2017, 04:26:34 PM »
Tucker, Sherrard & Co. dragoon on Gun Broaker: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/673202440
Current bid is $355.00.

$355 is a decent price for one of these.  Too bad the case & accessories are missing.

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Pocket Models / Re: New photo of .31 1849 Pocket
« on: July 20, 2017, 09:24:26 AM »
Nice.   L@.

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Army Models / Re: Unknown 1860
« on: July 01, 2017, 04:41:25 PM »
A couple years ago, I sent an inquiry to the Consorzio Armaioli Italiani asking if they knew who was hiding behind the PR mark, and this is what Ms Monica Cancarini answered:
"PR is a proof mark for RIVA ESTERINA. The company stopped their production at the end of 1979/1980 (more or less)."
This being consistent with what the proofhouse told me, I believe PR to be one of the trade marks Riva Esterina used.

Sounds good to me.  I've never heard of Riva Esterina until now.  What other trade marks did they use?

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Army Models / Re: Unknown 1860
« on: June 30, 2017, 08:57:49 PM »
I believe the PR logo is for Pierino Ruschetta based on a lengthy post about manufacturers on TFL   (https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340072&highlight=pr&page=2)  that included this post:

http://www.earmi.it/armi/database/armieri.htm

It lists all Italian gun makers from 1945-1980.

There is a Pierino Ruschetta listed, and I think the PR is him!   

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Army Models / Re: ROA Hand
« on: June 30, 2017, 08:33:09 PM »
I recall reading somewhere that Numrich bought out all of the Old Army parts from Ruger.

They might have; but, there are no hands (Pawls) listed, much less on hand.

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