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Walkers & Dragoons / Looking for a Walker or Dagoon?
« on: October 14, 2018, 12:46:39 PM »
Check out the Buy, Sell or Trade board

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Navy Models / Re: Old discusion again
« on: October 08, 2018, 08:41:48 AM »
Oh, Yeah, I forgot..... I've been known to leave my pistols for up to a week after use before I clean them.  I usually spray them down with Balistol as soon as I return home after a match; but, some times it's late and I forget. Leaving them that long hasn't caused them into hunks of rust yet.

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Navy Models / Re: Old discusion again
« on: October 07, 2018, 08:48:04 PM »
So all you wad users, question or two.

How long will your 51/61 run with your lubed wads? How bout longevity of accuracy?

Reason i ask these questions is that thick or thin , hot or cold, i run over ball lube and when doing so my barrel remains lubed and acccuracy remains as long as i desire to shoot. My cleanup is a snap and usually takes only two or three wet scrub patch's and three maybe dry and a heavily lubed patch.

I guess i wanna hear that your lubed wads do all and more then my over ball lube.

I rest upon the historic way [ as far as i can ascertain ] i do my c&b revolvers but i still have a lot to learn. Having said this, i wonder how much "RANGE TIME" the Old Dead Guys did. I would really like to find accounts written in the day describing the methods and supplies used for such "practice" times.

As far as i can find, the folks that carried them back in the day, did so DRY. Doing so, i readily see that the every day carry was not in preparation of finding themselves suddenly in a prolonged fight where the revolver might be used for an hours long gunfight where reloading was a thing to be prepared for.

Also wonder what accuracy they held out for and if our 1.5 to 3 inch 20 yard accuracy was/is comparatively similar to their expectations.

I've shot a pair of 2nd Gen '61 Navies in a CAS match over four days that called for 22 stages (12 Main Match, 5 practice stages and a 5 stage Plainsman match).  22 stages of five rounds in each pistol for 110 rds per.  Only maintenance was to relube the arbor and wipe the pistol down before each days shooting.  There was no discernible reduction in accuracy or ease of use.  This was a few years ago and I haven't seen the need to test the practice since.

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Walkers & Dragoons / Re: 3rd Model Dragoon
« on: October 07, 2018, 08:34:58 PM »
I see it, nice set.

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NEW MEMBER CHECK-IN / Re: Hello from California
« on: October 04, 2018, 01:23:25 PM »
Howdy and welcome from Mid Missouri. 

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Navy Models / Re: Old discusion again
« on: October 04, 2018, 01:20:52 PM »
I've been shooting CAS for almost 20 years, 15 of them using various percussion pistols with lubed wads of one kind or another.  The only time I had any contamination problems was when I was using some off the wall wads by a guy that wasn't very good at quality control.  Needless to say, I quit using his wads (I think I still have some of them if anybody wants them).  For the past 5 or more years I've been using wads from Sage Outfitters.  They have served me well.  I've never had a misfire or a squib using these wads.

My current standard 1851/1861 Navy load is 22.5 grains by weight of fffg Olde Eynsford (that's what a 21 gr marked flask spout throws).  Sage outfitters .36 Cal lubed felt wad; .380 cast lead roundball from The Log Cabin Shop; ignited by a #10 Remington percussion cap on a Slix Shot nipple.

http://www.sageoutfitters.com/Muzzleloader.html
http://logcabinshop.com/catalog.php?route=product/product&path=184_157_15&product_id=24935
http://cowboybullets.com/SliX-Products_c_15.html

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Other Models / Re: So Close, So Far.......
« on: July 20, 2018, 10:25:19 AM »
That sure sucks.

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Walkers & Dragoons / Re: If you have the money
« on: July 13, 2018, 09:26:49 AM »
Nah,  I got outbid.   (7+"

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Colt Collecting / INformation on Stainless Steel Uberti Colts
« on: July 10, 2018, 10:57:03 AM »
It's been a while since I've posted this request for info.  Lets see what shakes out.

In the early to mid 1980s, Uberti produced a line of stainless steel percussion Colt revolvers that were imported to the US by Allen Firearms, Santa Fe, NM; Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Inc. Angleton, TX, Uberti USA, and possibly others.  They are now also known to have been sold in Europe under the HEGE dealer name. 

Phil Spangenberger did an article about these stainless revolvers in the October 1983 issue of Guns and Ammo Magazine. According to the article, the models that were being imported were the 1851 Navy, 1860 Army, 1861 Navy, 1862 Pocket Navy, and 1862 Pocket police. Thanks to Dr. J.L. Davis of RPRCA, Claremore, OK, I have a 1984 price list for Uberti products that lists fourteen different models of Stainless Steel Colts produced by Uberti at that time. Subsequent price lists expanded the line to 16 models by adding 4 ½ inch barreled Pocket Navy and Pocket Police. The known model list is:

1851 Navy, Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy, Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *@
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1860 Army, Military, Cut For Stock, Cal. .44 *@
1860 Army, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .44*@
1861 Navy, Military, Cut For Stock, Revolver, Cal. .36 * @
1861 Navy, Civilian, Revolver, Cal. .36
1861 Navy, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36*
1861 Navy, Civilian, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”@
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*@
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*@
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
(* - have identified location of examples of these models)
(@ - have this model)

The current total of known revolvers is thirty three. I have nine of these revolvers and know of twenty Four in the hands of other collectors or BP shooters. Two of the known revolvers are in Switzerland, one is in England, one in Spain, and now one has turned up in Poland.  The Swiss and Polish models are marked Original Hege on the barrel, the English model has the typical Allen Firearms barrel address, and the one in Spain has a blank barrel.

Anyone with information concerning Allen Firearms, Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply or any other Uberti Stainless Steel Colt style revolvers is requested to contact fingersmcgee@charter.net  I am seeking information as to models, manufacture dates, serial numbers, barrel markings, barrel lengths, trigger guards, and any other characteristics as well as catalog, brochure, and original packaging information. 
Of course, if anyone has any for sale, I would be interested in that also.

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Welcome Wagon / Re: Checking in from Djibouti & Missouri
« on: June 30, 2018, 11:20:36 AM »
Welcome to the fire Drobs

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Army Models / Re: Identifying a 1995 1860 Army
« on: June 18, 2018, 04:42:47 PM »
Good info Fingers. I'll try to remember that.

Is it only coincidental that ASM went out of business in 2002 - same time Colt's dropped the Sig Series line ???/ hmmmmmm

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Army Models / Re: Identifying a 1995 1860 Army
« on: June 18, 2018, 10:20:45 AM »
ASMs from early 90s and earlier are usually very good.  I have a 3rd model dragoon from 1977 that is excellent, and a nickel plated Walker from 1979 that is also very good.  I've had other ASMs that were good; but have not had many from the 90s.  ASMs quality started going down around the time between the 2nd Gen and Sig Series Colts were made.

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Army Models / Re: Identifying a 1995 1860 Army
« on: June 16, 2018, 04:46:07 PM »
Armi San Marco used:  "Armi San Marco", San Marco", "Marco", "ASM", "SM", and an "SM within an A"  Your 1860 is an Armi San Marco.

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1847 .44 Walker
1848 .44 2nd Model Dragoon
1848 .44 3rd Model Dragoon
1858 .44 Remington - Pair of Piettas, one SS
1858 .36 Remington Navy
1837 .36 Paterson - One Pietta, One Uberti
1849 .31 Colt Pocket
1851 .36 Colt - Pair of Uberti, Pair of 2nd Gen, Pair of Sheriff's model, Three SS
1851 .36 Colt US Marshall
1851 .44 Colt US Marshall - Pair of Piettas
1860 .44 Colt - Pair of Pietta, Pair of Uberti SS, Pair of Pietta Sheriffs model
1861 .36 Colt - Pair of Uberti, Pair of 2nd Gen, one SS
1861 .36 Colt US Marshall
1861 .36 Whitney - Pair of Palmetto
1862 .36 Colt Pocket Navy (SS)
1862 .36 Colt Pocket Police (SS)
1862 .36 Griswold & Gunnison - one 7 1/2 and one Sheriffs model
1862 .36 Schneider & Glassick
1862 .36 Leech and Rigdon - Pair of Augusta models
1862 .36 Leech and Rigdon Sheriffs model
1862 .36 Spiller & Burr
1862 .44 LeMat

I'm probably leaving some off - Most of those listed are pairs for CAS

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Shooter13,   I don't have a 2nd gen Dragoon but if you haven't read this informative article before it may help you determine which cap/nipple combination to use on your Dragoon.
http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?topic=9093.msg62297#msg62297

What Mike said.

With that being said, Rem #10s work on my ASM 3rd Model Dragoon and Walker.

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