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Title: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: LonesomePigeon on January 31, 2017, 08:46:21 PM
These seem to be hard to find in stock so I thought I'd post this. EMF has the Pietta Paterson on sale for $550.
http://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/1836-Texas-Paterson-36-9-531p1823.htm

Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Electric Miner on February 01, 2017, 05:46:00 AM
And I'm in the middle of moving to a new home.


sigh...
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 01, 2017, 08:02:32 AM
These seem to be hard to find in stock so I thought I'd post this. EMF has the Pietta Paterson on sale for $550.
http://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/1836-Texas-Paterson-36-9-531p1823.htm

Hi Lonesome, thanks for the heads-up, I ordered one. The price is excellent and it comes with free shipping.  &\? &\? &\?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: scooby on February 01, 2017, 09:06:33 AM
It is a good looker with the 9 inch barrel. I would not mind having one with a longer barrel.

Hopefully Pietta took care of their quality control issues with that modle. Long after they improved issues with their other modles, they continued to ship out the Paterson with the same ol problems. I turned one down last year after I cycled the action a couple of times. Seems this one was on par with all of the bad reviews I had read on the web

Wishing you get a good one Richard.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: LonesomePigeon on February 01, 2017, 10:03:41 AM
Awesome Richard! Please post a review when you get it. I am actually close enough that I could drive down there and pick one out but I don't have the money. Maybe if they are in stock a year from now.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 01, 2017, 10:20:32 AM
Awesome Richard! Please post a review when you get it. I am actually close enough that I could drive down there and pick one out but I don't have the money. Maybe if they are in stock a year from now.

Hi Lonesome, I don't have the money either, but have been wanting a Paterson for a long time. I'm still wondering how I will tell my wife that I used part of our tax refund for this revolver. Uberti discontinued the Paterson because of minimal sales. I think that the same thing will occur for Pietta. This revolver will be mostly for display. I fully understand that even the original Patersons were problematic revolvers. There are so many parts that need to function perfectly for it to function properly. Of course I will post my review of the Pietta ordered when received.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 02, 2017, 04:54:55 AM
Hi, the EMF Company is a strange outfit. I misspoke when I said that shipping was free. After ordering the revolver, EMF sent me an email saying that my order wasn't an order until they called me to verify shipping cost and charge card.

The online status of my order says "pending". Interesting that there was still a pending order for a conversion cylinder from 2012 that I thought I had canceled.

EMF is strange outfit.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 03, 2017, 10:11:53 AM
Hi, after a couple of emails EMF is beginning to move on my order. The shipping charge, ground, is $28. That seems a little high, but what can I do.

Their big concern is that I may live in New York City that prohibits shipment of BP revolvers. Also, agreeing to the shipping charge is required. Beats me that they don't know up front what shipping costs would be. EMF may still be living in the past?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: prof marvel on February 03, 2017, 01:48:55 PM
Hi, after a couple of emails EMF is beginning to move on my order. The shipping charge, ground, is $28. That seems a little high, but what can I do.

Their big concern is that I may live in New York City that prohibits shipment of BP revolvers. Also, agreeing to the shipping charge is required. Beats me that they don't know up front what shipping costs would be. EMF may still be living in the past?

Regards,
Richard

Hi Richard -
"real stores" can't afford to eat the entire cost of shipping and handling like Cabelas. Stores that offer "free" or cheap shipping are inevitably
hiding the cost elsewhere - weather markup in that item, or spread across all sales. I can ship a revolver via USPS "flat rate" for ~ $20
but that does not include packing materials, packing it up, or getting it to the PO.  ....  jest sayin' ....

when Amazon starts sending free gifts over my property  boxes delivered by drone, we will be watching intently to  see how they farm in the costs of the drones, merchandize loss, insurance, property damage, etc etc....  not to mention the loss of physical jobs of delivery personell.

with no jobs at all except selling rocks to each other, one wonders who exactly will be able to afford to buy the "stuff" .
those of us with well equipped shops, however will have a booming business in fixing "old broke stuff" . Mike116 will do fine making custom leather,  and Mad Mike the boomer can print new parts .....

yhs
prfo amravel
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 04, 2017, 09:19:03 AM
Hi, I ordered a used copy of Paterson Colt Pistol Variations, by Phillips Wilson on eBay, see:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/112287663208?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Prices for this book are all over the place, but I think this is the book to have if you are interested in the Paterson revolver.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 06, 2017, 05:19:40 AM
Hi prof, nice try on rationalizing shipping costs. I checked on the shipping cost recently paid for BP revolvers purchased from Old South Firearms and Dixie Gun Works, ~$17. Old South ships the same day, Dixie the next. I'm still waiting for my order from EMF to be marked ordered. There are different vendor models, IMO EMF's is something out of the past.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 07, 2017, 09:33:19 AM
Hi, there has been a lot of discussion on Colt supplying extra cylinders for his revolvers. Most say that extra cylinders are a myth.

I came across this site that suggests that some Patersons came with extra cylinders, see:
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/colt-paterson/

Give the prices, I suspect that there is sufficient provenance to warrant those prices and prove that extra cylinders were supplied with some Patersons.

What do you think?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: scooby on February 07, 2017, 12:11:41 PM
Yep Richard, there are multiple original cased Paterson sets that have an extra cylinder included. Hopefully, after you get your Paterson book, you can shed some more light for us on the prevalence of the extra cylinder and the Paterson

As of now, I can't recall seeing for sure, extra cylinders with any of the later modles, just the Paterson. But I may have seen one image of an 1849 cased set with one. But can't swear to it.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 07, 2017, 07:44:52 PM
Hi, IMO it is useful to be persistent. After more emails, I learned from EMF that my Pietta Paterson has shipped, UPS tracking suggests arrival Monday.

Looking forward to seeing my new Paterson.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on February 07, 2017, 08:26:16 PM
So are we! &\?
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 08, 2017, 04:37:50 AM
Hi Kirk, there will be photos when I get the Paterson. When I was doing research on the Paterson from archived threads on this message board I was disappointed that all the photos that scooby posted were gone. I would have loved to see those Paterson photos.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on February 08, 2017, 10:09:39 AM
Hi Kirk, there will be photos when I get the Paterson. When I was doing research on the Paterson from archived threads on this message board I was disappointed that all the photos that scooby posted were gone. I would have loved to see those Paterson photos.

Regards,
Richard
They were some good ones, including disassembled shots.
Another reason I hate Photobucket.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: sourdough on February 08, 2017, 12:24:05 PM
Hi Kirk, there will be photos when I get the Paterson. When I was doing research on the Paterson from archived threads on this message board I was disappointed that all the photos that scooby posted were gone. I would have loved to see those Paterson photos.

Regards,
Richard
They were some good ones, including disassembled shots.
Another reason I hate Photobucket.

The only reason I can think of that pics from Photobucket are missing on various posts is because they have been deleted from the person's library by the owner of that account. I don't delete from my account and have pics there from at least 5 years ago and I still have 98% of my library/account unused.

The site IS slow from time to time, but it still works for anything I have posted here or on other forums.

Just my $.02 worth.

Jim

Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on February 08, 2017, 12:25:16 PM
Jim, every time PB does one of it's "updates" any pictures posted pre-update vanish.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: scooby on February 08, 2017, 12:39:46 PM
I had some trouble with my old PB account, or so  I thought.  A lot of pics were deleted by myself trying to fix it. Seems the trouble, however, was related to my computer rather than PB. Regardless, I started a new account and have not been back to the old one since. The old Paterson pics would have been on the old account and surely  long gone now.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 10, 2017, 09:06:05 AM
Hi, I ordered a used copy of Paterson Colt Pistol Variations, by Phillips Wilson on eBay, see:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/112287663208?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Prices for this book are all over the place, but I think this is the book to have if you are interested in the Paterson revolver.

Regards,
Richard

Hi, I just received this book. It is a treasure-trove of information on the Colt Paterson, lots of plates and examples. On extra cylinders, many of the cased Patersons have the extra cylinder, both square back and rounded back cylinders.

I know I will learn a lot about Patersons from this book.  &\? &\?

Regards,
Richard 
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 11, 2017, 08:22:29 AM
Hi, we tend to think of metallurgy problems only affected the Colt Walker. No so, the book documents a number of Paterson cylinder and barrel failures. One military command even withdrew use of the Patterson reporting a number of problems.

Most of the problems occurred from Patersons manufactured by Ehlers during the Colt bankruptcy where inventory parts were assembled, some with different serial number parts. Seems there was little if any quality control.

It amazed me to see a plate of a Patterson with serial number 1 that is a .54 caliber revolver.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: G Dog on February 11, 2017, 12:59:06 PM
The old Paterson pics would have been on the old account and surely  long gone now.

I saved these photos some years ago but only labeled them Paterson.  Looks like Scooby work to me, that or some other skilled photographer member.

(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q586/GDog09/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20scooby%20%20Capture.png) (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/GDog09/media/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20scooby%20%20Capture.png.html)

(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q586/GDog09/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20Scooby%202%20Capture.png) (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/GDog09/media/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20Scooby%202%20Capture.png.html)

Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on February 11, 2017, 10:42:46 PM
Pretty sure that is Scooby's handiwork.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 13, 2017, 12:29:47 PM
Hi, the new Pietta Paterson just came in the door. The fit and finish is excellent. There are a few things I already learned about this revolver. The cylinder/barrel gap is 0.002". It was made in 2015 and the arbor is the same diameter of the Pietta 1851. The hammer spring is very strong and I intend on buying a new spring to grind down to a more acceptable hammer pull. One thing that did surprise me is that there is no forcing cone on the rear of the barrel and I need to do some research if adding a forcing cone is advisable. The bolt does drop before the cylinder bolt hole and produces a small scratch before the hole. There is no bolt lead-in like with the 1851/1860 cylinders. Maybe a little polish on the bolt will minimize cylinder wear?

Photos tomorrow.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 14, 2017, 05:05:55 AM
Hi, the new Pietta Paterson photos:

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/941/29007927957_bc41bc1cca_b.jpg)

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/859/30077010688_ee0322ca16_b.jpg)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: scooby on February 14, 2017, 06:39:59 AM
I sure do like the looks of that 9 inch barrel. Good to hear it arrived and that it has good fit and finish.

It is normal to have wear in front of the cylinder bolt hole. On my older one, it has now worn enough that a shallow lead in notch has been formed.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: scooby on February 14, 2017, 06:41:37 AM
The old Paterson pics would have been on the old account and surely  long gone now.

I saved these photos some years ago but only labeled them Paterson.  Looks like Scooby work to me, that or some other skilled photographer member.

(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q586/GDog09/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20scooby%20%20Capture.png) (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/GDog09/media/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20scooby%20%20Capture.png.html)

(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q586/GDog09/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20Scooby%202%20Capture.png) (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/GDog09/media/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20Scooby%202%20Capture.png.html)

Indeed, those are pics that I took. Glad you saved them.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 14, 2017, 06:42:49 AM
Hi, on further investigation, the Pietta Patterson made in 2015 has a short arbor, ~1/8" short. Pietta had been producing other BP models with correct arbor length so this was a surprise. I will add a brass extension piece to the arbor to correctly size the cylinder/barrel gap.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on February 14, 2017, 12:36:11 PM
Man, that is so sweet!
You aren't helping me any, dude...
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: mike116 on February 14, 2017, 04:04:25 PM
Looks great Richard,  glad to hear everything is order except the arbor length.  Hope the snow melts so you can get out and shoot it soon.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Rcampb6131 on February 15, 2017, 01:13:39 PM
For comparison, here is mine - a Uberti dated 1989.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: sourdough on February 15, 2017, 02:02:53 PM
The old Paterson pics would have been on the old account and surely  long gone now.

I saved these photos some years ago but only labeled them Paterson.  Looks like Scooby work to me, that or some other skilled photographer member.

(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q586/GDog09/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20scooby%20%20Capture.png) (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/GDog09/media/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20scooby%20%20Capture.png.html)

(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q586/GDog09/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20Scooby%202%20Capture.png) (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/GDog09/media/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/Paterson%20Scooby%202%20Capture.png.html)

Indeed, those are pics that I took. Glad you saved them.

I have no knowledge of Paterson Colts.

Could one of you folks explain what the extra piece of hardware is all about? I have seen that in several photos you all have posted but I have no clue.

Since the Paterson has no load lever, I am just guessing that it has to do with loading the cylinder, but I am probably very off base.

I am into 1851 Navy replicas and cousins and Dragoons.

Thanks in advance for entertaining a newbie.   ^j)

Sincerely,

Jim
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: mike116 on February 15, 2017, 02:38:02 PM
Here you go Jim,   it's called a loading tool.   One end has a screw driver head,  the other end has a ball that you can unscrew to reveal a hidden nipple pick.   The flat end is inserted into the arbor slot to act as a fulcrum for pressing the ball into the chamber.   

Here's a photo showing how it's used....
(http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab126/mike-116/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-12-24%2021.45.52_zpspw2wtss1.jpg)
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 15, 2017, 03:06:57 PM
Hi Jim, what Mike said with the addition that under the ball there is a nipple wrench. The original Patersons and the Uberti replica have nipples that require a 4-edged nipple wrench. The nipple wrench under the ball for the Pietta replica has the typical 2-edged wrench, same nipples as on other Piettas. Owners of the Uberti never want to lose that tool if they ever want to remove the nipples of their Paterson.

Mike, nice job showing the Paterson loading tool!!

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: mike116 on February 15, 2017, 03:18:21 PM
You're right Richard,  forgot the nipple wrench is under there too.  I didn't realize the Pietta nipples were the modern type instead of the cross head type.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: scooby on February 15, 2017, 04:10:12 PM
If one ever did loose the Uberti tool, a new nipple wrench would be easy to make.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: sourdough on February 16, 2017, 12:46:35 PM
You guys are great! I had no idea that such a tool existed.

I learn something new every day, and that is saying something for someone with Old-timer's disease.  &\?

Jim
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 17, 2017, 10:28:28 AM
Hi, the Pietta Paterson is so nice that I am asking Leathersmith Mike to make a natural leather holster for it. I have been handling the Pietta Paterson so much that my wife asked me if I would like to take it to bed with us. That was the signal for me to put the Patterson down and talk with her. Talking with my wife is a ticket for my next revolver.  ;)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 19, 2017, 12:07:37 PM
Hi, the temp outside was 50F so I went out and shot my new Pietta Paterson. Well, she ain't a virgin anymore, and she ain't an 1851 right out of the box. I shot 30rds two hands from 25yds at my steel targets. The Paterson shoots ~8" high. and grouped ~4". Part of my shooting accuracy problem is the heavy trigger pull, it is 8+lbs. Another problem I ran into was that the cylinder would bind against the barrel right after the first shot, the remaining four shots required me to help turn the cylinder as I cocked. A gap of 0.003" is too tight with the barrel not having a forcing cone. On removal of the barrel a uniform lead splash can be seen on the rear end of the barrel. Even after one cylinder, removal of the barrel from the arbor was difficult because fouling is blown up inside the barrel arbor hole. I needed to lube that part with spit to continue shooting.

This is a photo of my loading area:

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1837/43897517942_4f7e0d114d_b.jpg)

This is a photo of my first five shots, I was aiming at the bottom of the steel gong. Two to the left the remaining three centered:

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1795/43897517692_eae34be7e8_b.jpg)

This a scooby like photo after finishing the shoot:

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/935/43897518182_28fd335102_b.jpg)

The heavy hammer pull may be contributing to the very heavy trigger pull. However, I did see a video where the hammer would blow back and am now concerned that lightening the hammer spring would enance hammer blow-back. That video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAGH2xErhLE&t=457s

I already broke off the brass arbor button that was JB Weld to the arbor since it is known to be too short. Whether adding a arbor extension screw or adding a forcing cone worthwhile is still being considered. I'm certain that with enough work, a good trigger pull could be achieved and that the revolver could be sighted in to have poi=poa.

In any event, shooting the Paterson was fun and as Mike and scooby said "it is what it is".

Worst case this Pietta Patterson stays stock and added to my living room display.

I caution anyone considering the Patterson for a shooting BP revolver to think hard about that decision, very hard.

Edit: BTW, my first two shots were to the left until I settled down. I think that the Texas 9" barrel Paterson with with the long sight radius has the potential (getting the trigger pull reasonable) for being an extremely accurate BP revolver.

Regards,
Richard 
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: mike116 on February 19, 2017, 02:58:56 PM
Welcome to the realm of Paterson shooters Richard.   I'm sure you can work out the issues you are having and continue to enjoy shooting your new revolver.   My Paterson has a .005 cylinder gap and does begin to bind up on the 3rd cylinder full.    My revolver does not have a forcing cone either,  just a small chamfer that would not be considered a forcing cone at all.   I have never noticed any lead splash around the back end of the barrel.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: scooby on February 19, 2017, 06:30:01 PM
Alright, you got out and shot it! Heck, it is grouping good. Looks like you had a nice day for shooting.

I went on a very long hike in the wood today and packed mine and did some shooting too. I really enjoy the Paterson.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: LonesomePigeon on February 19, 2017, 09:15:51 PM
Congrats on the new Paterson. Thanks for sharing pics and shooting report. They sure are neat revolvers.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 20, 2017, 09:11:12 AM
Hi while I was a bit concerned on the stiffness of the Pietta Paterson action, after cleaning the revolver and putting fresh Ballistol in the revolver, the action is now a lot smoother. The more I cycle the action, the smoother the action becomes. The hammer and trigger pull is still heavy, but becoming more manageable with experience. Removal of the nipples for cleaning was a surprise, the nipples were in only finger tight. Pietta never let Brunhilde with her 100lb torque wrench near this Paterson during manufacture.

I would still like to lighten up the hammer spring, but concerned that hammer blow-back may occur. Maybe adding SliXshot nipples would minimize hammer blow back where I could lighten the hammer spring. I will wait for the replacement hammer springs come in to modify than irreversibly ruin the original hammer spring. The Pietta Paterson nipples seem to be the standard Pietta nipples used in the Pietta 1851/1860.

This adventure continues.

Regards,
Richard 
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 24, 2017, 10:18:14 AM
Hi, a new brass button to have the arbor bottom with a 0.005" cylinder/barrel gap was made. The button fits so well in the barrel arbor hole that I don't need to epoxy it on. For the second time I tore down the Paterson to smooth the internal parts. The Paterson isn't a revolver that should be disassembled often. The barrel pins are a separate piece that changes barrel registration every time it is removed. My barrel was coming off the frame easily with the original revolver after inserting and removal a number of times. Now the barrel is a bear to install and and remove again. After going through all the smoothing, the Paterson action is just as rough as before. The cylinder now over rotates the bolt when cocking the revolver very fast. The now smoothed bolt face now is cutting a groove in the cylinder ahead of the bolt hole. Guess I should have well left the revolver alone. It's hard to believe that Colt designed such a complex action design. Someone must have challenged him to make the most complex designed revolver his mind could envision. In the future, the action stays intact for cleaning, only the grip will be removed.

The Paterson is a must have replica for any BP collection, but know that it comes with lots of issues never seen in the later Colt revolvers.

I ordered SliX-shot nipples for this Paterson and looking to buy an extra cylinder. When the replacement hammer springs arrive, I will grind down the replacement spring to lighten that spring and install the SliX-shot nipples.

Bottom line is that the Paterson is a delightful revolver to hold, shoot, and display, but best left until you exhaust owning the better designed BP revolvers.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: scooby on February 24, 2017, 01:46:13 PM
Sorry to hear you are having issues. I experience no issues with my Ubertis. I do tear them completely down every time I shoot them because I generally only shoot them once or twice a year. But the teardown and reassembly is a familiar and straight forward process for me. They are not too much different than a standard Colt.

I have read about a lot of issues with the Pietta Paterson. It is why I have stayed away from one, even though I like the longer barrel. They had the same problem with quality with their Star revolver.

I suspect that in the end, you are going to have more invested in this one than you would have had buying an unfired Uberti.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on March 11, 2017, 03:57:40 AM
Hi, the new Paterson leather holster from LeathersmithMike arrived yesterday. It's a beauty and the workmanship is suburb, see:

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/851/29007928367_2cde172142_b.jpg)

Due to high winds, we lost electric utility power for three days, had to use the generator. The internet was out so I looked for a gun project to keep me busy. To that end I JB Weld the free floating brass arbor spacing button to the arbor end and filed the brass button for a 0.006" gap. The larger gap will minimize the Paterson BP and lead splash fouling.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: LonesomePigeon on March 13, 2017, 10:13:52 AM
The holster looks great.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on March 14, 2017, 09:17:02 AM
Hi, in an email Kirst told me they are working on a .22 conversion cylinder for the Pietta Paterson that should be available early next year. To that end I began to prepare a full length .22 barrel for the Paterson. A 3/8" outer diameter barrel liner has been threaded on one inch of each end of the barrel, 3/8x24". The outer diameter will need to be reduced by filing to a diameter of ~0.360" so that it will be a slight tight fit in the .36 caliber Paterson barrel. A forcing cone will also be done on the rear end of the barrel after the barrel is fitted to the Paterson barrel. I will need to have the Kirst conversion cylinder before final fitting can be done.

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on March 14, 2017, 10:50:21 AM
Now THAT'S what I call "being prepared".... (7+"
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on March 16, 2017, 10:25:07 AM
Hi Kirk, yes indeed, I'm just an old boy scout, be prepared. That sometimes drives my wife nuts, but that's my training from a boy. Being prepared has saved our asses a number of times.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on March 16, 2017, 11:42:54 AM
Hi Kirk, yes indeed, I'm just an old boy scout, be prepared. That sometimes drives my wife nuts, but that's my training from a boy. Being prepared has saved our asses a number of times.

Regards,
Richard
I know, right?
I keep preaching this at my grown sons, but despite them both being former scouts, they don't take it to heart.
I was both a Scout and a leader. The lessons learned "took" I guess..
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on March 17, 2017, 08:33:00 AM
Hi, in an effort to be prepared, I have tried to order Pietta Paterson spare parts. IMO the Pietta Paterson may be on life-support since mainsprings and cylinder aren't in stock at VTI. These parts are also not in stock at Taylor's, but I think that Taylor has more clout than VTI with Pietta. While probably all backordered at Taylor, I ordered a replacement cylinder, hand, and all springs for the Pietta Paterson. It may take awhile for me to see those part, but probably worthwhile in the future.

Be Prepared.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Electric Miner on March 18, 2017, 07:39:59 AM
Hi, the new Paterson leather holster from LeathersmithMike arrived yesterday. It's a beauty and the workmanship is suburb, see:

(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a549/ssb73q/Paterson%20holster_zpsamnf7p4x.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/ssb73q/media/Paterson%20holster_zpsamnf7p4x.jpg.html)

Due to high winds, we lost electric utility power for three days, had to use the generator. The internet was out so I looked for a gun project to keep me busy. To that end I JB Weld the free floating brass arbor spacing button to the arbor end and filed the brass button for a 0.006" gap. The larger gap will minimize the Paterson BP and lead splash fouling.

Regards,
Richard



Nice leather. Nice sidearm.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on March 18, 2017, 10:09:05 AM
Hi Electric, thanks. One can never go wrong owning a holster from Leathersmith Mike. While there are some cheap holsters available that will work with BP revolvers there is something special having a quality holster to hold and protect the revolver being used. While I value my BP revolvers, I value my Leathersmit Mike's holsters even more.  L@. L@. L@.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on April 07, 2017, 12:09:39 PM
Hi, in an effort to be prepared, I have tried to order Pietta Paterson spare parts. IMO the Pietta Paterson may be on life-support since mainsprings and cylinder aren't in stock at VTI. These parts are also not in stock at Taylor's, but I think that Taylor has more clout than VTI with Pietta. While probably all backordered at Taylor, I ordered a replacement cylinder, hand, and all springs for the Pietta Paterson. It may take awhile for me to see those part, but probably worthwhile in the future.

Be Prepared.

Regards,
Richard

Hi, I just heard from Taylors that they have my Pietta Paterson parts and they have been shipped. The old boy scout motto is Be Prepared. Uberti Paterson parts are almost impossible to get. IMO it won't be long before the Pietta part join that class. I suggest that you order Paterson parts while they are available. Springs and hands are worth investing in if you intend on having a working Pietta Paterson in the future.

I also have an extra cylinder for the Pietta Paterson coming. That damn bolt chews up the entrance and exit cylinder bolt holes where a pristine cylinder when displayed makes some sense for an anal retentive like me.

The trigger pull on my Pietta Paterson is over 8lbs. I intend to do a trigger and reduced mainspring force job in an effort to have a usable and accurate Paterson.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Bishop Creek on April 07, 2017, 04:30:11 PM
I know that the replica Paterson revolvers go for a bit more than say, an 1851, but this one on Gunbroker is ridiculous:

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/636099248 (http://www.gunbroker.com/item/636099248)
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: LonesomePigeon on April 07, 2017, 07:06:28 PM
It's only $10,000. I'm guessing the seller meant $1,000. Still too high.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Bishop Creek on April 07, 2017, 07:14:01 PM
It's only $10,000. I'm guessing the seller meant $1,000. Still too high.

My guess too. I'm just amazed that he hasn't corrected it yet.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on April 08, 2017, 05:08:14 AM
Hi, notice that the $10,000 Paterson is a smoothbore. Maybe this guy thinks someone will pay for a one of a kind Paterson revolver?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on April 08, 2017, 10:15:58 AM
Hi, I totally removed all the Pietta Paterson parts today and again stoned the moving parts. After assembly the Paterson is worst than before, a bummer. The cylinder now over rotates if cocked fast. For some reason the bolt is somewhat too short and only engages the cylinder lockup hole to the rear of the cylinder registration holes. Reviews of the Pietta Paterson also report the same issue. Based on what Mike and scooby report, I suggest that you get a used Uberti Paterson if you want a reliable shooter.

I am looking forward to what Fingers reports on having Goon's do an action job on his Pietta Paterson.

Tuning my Pietta Paterson is a bridge too far for me.

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on April 08, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
Richard, I suggest you contact the Goon (Mike Brackett) and let him have a shot at it. The action on both guns he worked for me has to be experienced to be believed.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on April 10, 2017, 10:32:03 AM
Hi, I ordered a few more parts for the Pietta Paterson. I talked to Ryan at Taylor Firearms about the lack of replacement parts for the Paterson's. Getting Pietta Paterson parts has been difficult, Uberti almost impossible.

IMO if you ever think you would like to own a replica Paterson, act quickly or forever hold your peace.

Notice on how original Patersons now go for over $250k. It wouldn't surprise me if we soon see used replicas for over $2k.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on April 12, 2017, 06:50:27 AM
Hi, in the past I have pissed and moaned about the very heavy hammer and trigger pull of my Pietta Paterson. Forget any good accuracy with a trigger pull as heavy as a New York State Trooper's Glock. With the arrival of a replacement Paterson hammer mainspring, I reduced the width of that spring to reduce the mainspring force. Initially a bench grinder was used, but I soon found that I could do a better job with a hand held dremel tool with a sanding ring. This is a comparison between the original spring and the modified spring: 

(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a549/ssb73q/springs_zpscghcvulw.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/ssb73q/media/springs_zpscghcvulw.jpg.html)

The original spring is on the left.

Hammer pull is now very nice and the trigger pull went from over 8lbs with the original spring to ~5lb with the modified spring. The functioning of the revolver is now a lot smoother.

It will now be necessary to shoot the revolver to see if hammer blow back will occur. I have seen reports where Paterson hammer blow back will begin to rotate the cylinder, not a good thing. If hammer blow back does occur with the reduced force spring, I may try length sizing the SliXShot nipples and using them to minimize hammer blow back.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on July 22, 2017, 09:17:57 AM
Hi, getting parts for the Pietta Paterson has been a struggle. I heard back from Taylors that my ordered Paterson cylinder is now back in stock and being sent to me.

Since the Paterson cylinder is more easily loaded off the revolver, extra Paterson cylinders are useful.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 04, 2017, 10:02:01 AM
Hi, I'm about ready to get back into my Pietta Paterson. The barrel is difficult to remove, the trigger pull is still too strong. The internet is full of information on most everything other on taming a Pietta Paterson. With 17 more parts than an 1851, it is a engineering nightmare. Has anyone here been able to satisfactory tame their Paterson? Inquiring minds need to know.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Rcampb6131 on August 04, 2017, 08:09:40 PM
Richard:  I have a Uberti Paterson.  I took it apart as far as removing the water table and stopped there.  Took me forever to get it back together correctly.  Good luck!

RC
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: mike116 on August 04, 2017, 08:32:13 PM
My Paterson is an Uberti also.   I have had it apart and reassembled several times with no problems.   Mine works smoothly and is easily loaded with the loading tool so I can't give you much advice.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 06, 2017, 12:28:52 PM
Hi, I began to again work on the Pietta Paterson. The first issue addressed is the difficulty of removing and reinstalling the barrel. Using feeler gauges, I determined that a shim of ~0.008" needs to be added to the front bottom of the recoil shield/arbor part. With the shim in place the barrel can be easily removed and reinstalled. Brass shims have been ordered to correct this problem. The other issue I noticed is that the hammer spring is somewhat twisted where the hammer hits the left side of the recoil shield. I have a couple of new hammer springs that can be used to resolve this issue.

IMO there are many reasons why the Paterson put Colt into Chapter 11.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 07, 2017, 09:06:39 AM
Hi, while waiting for the shim material to arrive, I am considering adding a taller dovetail front sight to the Paterson. My Paterson shoots very high where a taller front sight should do wonders. I have been searching for a reference where a dovetail front sight is on a Paterson, but find nothing.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 08, 2017, 04:27:11 AM
Hi, Paterson dovetail roughed in:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4365/36442226875_ec80fefbd5_b.jpg)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 08, 2017, 08:20:55 AM
Hi, the Paterson dovetail tall front sight has been completed:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4433/36277341522_b3ff7af81d_b.jpg)

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4407/36445601825_5fbb04c629_b.jpg)

The tall front sight will be cut down at the range to have poi=poa @25yds.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 10, 2017, 05:37:32 AM
Hi, the shim material arrived where I cut an 0.008" brass shim for the front of the recoil shield. You can see the shim (brass at the lower front of the recoil shield) here:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4425/36312070132_6c4ae3fe9c_b.jpg)

The Paterson barrel now removes and installs with no difficulty. A new mainspring was narrowed and installed in the revolver. This is the revolver ready to shoot:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4426/36312071022_9aab239221_b.jpg)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 13, 2017, 12:43:41 PM
Hi, the Paterson with the new tall sight has been sighted in. Using a tripod it only took 5 shots to get the revolver sighted in poi=poa @25yds. I was using hand cast .380" balls with 20gr by volume (~18gr weight) Black MZ. I have an extra cylinder so was able to shoot a number of times before reloading. The brass shim fix to the revolver allows very easy barrel removal and installation. The new buffalo target got blasted. Due to the heavy trigger pull, I was only able to get ~3" groups from 25yds using a two handed hold. Not bad for an antique of a design Paterson. There were no issues using the ground down hammer spring, the hammer didn't blow back in the least. This is the revolver sighted in and cleaned:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4420/36380448802_e16a598f58_b.jpg)

The only unintended concequence was that the revolver with the taller sight won't fit in the holster Mike made for me. If you are interested in a very lightly used lined natural leather Paterson holster PM me to discuss cost.

There is one thing more I intend on doing to this Paterson. The barrel/cylinder gap of 0.002" is too close where I need to replace the brass arbor extension. If the metal of the Paterson arbor is soft enough I will drill a hole in the end of the arbor to insert a set screw that can be adjusted for barrel/cylinder gap.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: mike116 on August 13, 2017, 01:55:24 PM
I can make the new sight fit the holster Richard.  Just send it to me and I'll take care of it.   (No charge of course)
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 14, 2017, 09:52:16 AM
Hi Mike, I can't believe on how generous you are. I thank you so much.

If there are any here that haven't' purchased a super quality holster from Mike, you don't know what you are missing.

We love our revolvers and there is no better way to enjoy them than housing them in a LeathersmithMike's holster.

Instead of buggering the arbor with a set screw extension, I have decided to just JB Weld another brass button and file it down to have a barrel/cylinder gap of 0.005". The Paterson fouls so easily with a tighter gap that I will go larger and then adjust to optimal after the brass button settles in. IMO trying to do tight tolerances with a Paterson is a fool errand.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 15, 2017, 06:41:17 AM
Hi, my Paterson is becoming a money pit for replacement parts. While setting the barrel/cylinder gap the wedge kept going in further and further until it bottomed. The gap was still too big, 0.008". Looking at the wedge shows that the metal of the wedge has flowed. The metal of the wedge is very soft steel. The wedges of the other Pietta models are hardened steel. New replacement wedges have been ordered. If they are also soft steel, I will harden them.

One can't look at my Paterson without seeing another issue to fix.

My wife says that I shouldn't complain since it keeps me busy and off the street.  ;D

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 15, 2017, 07:35:07 AM
Hi, until the new wedges come in, I found a workaround in repairing the wedge and setting the final barrel/cylinder gap of 0.005". Since the wedge steel is soft, hammering it back into shape on a flat anvil work-hardens the wedge steel. A hammered wedge may work better and last longer than a new one.

BTW, I had thought of using another Pietta or Uberti Colt model wedge, but those wedges are ~0.030" narrower than the Paterson wedge.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 16, 2017, 04:14:21 AM
Hi, I ordered this stuff to do a case hardening on the Paterson wedge:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/119479/cherry-red-surface-hardening-compound-1-lb

This stuff should also be useful to harden the hammer face of Pietta Colt revolvers.

I think this stuff is like Kasenit?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on August 16, 2017, 07:38:45 AM
Let us know how it works!
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: LonesomePigeon on August 16, 2017, 10:19:59 AM
I too would be interested in hearing how it works. I would be somewhat worried that if the wedge is hardened too much it might damage the wedge slot. I have a Uberti Walker that both the wedge and the wedge slot got damaged, flowed as you say, and now the wedge won't stay tight. I bought a new wedge and it only worked right for a couple cylinders then it wouldn't stay tight. It appears once that wedge slot is compromised you're basically screwed. I'm trying to fix it with shims now and it seems to be working. If it keeps working I will epoxy the shims in place.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 16, 2017, 10:30:27 AM
Hi Lonesome, the wedge issue for the Walkers is a historic problem when used with full loadings. I think that Goon's has a solution for this problem with the Walker, a 1/4" set screw in the end of the arbor. Maybe Mike will chime in to advise.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 18, 2017, 09:30:04 AM
Hi, the replacement wedges from Taylor arrived today. Both wedges are slightly wider than the original wedge and seat well in the Pietta Paterson. As soon as I get the hardening compound I will try doing a surface hardening on the original wedge and report back what I learn. This is a video of the process:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIXGl_3li8

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 19, 2017, 09:53:40 AM
Hi, recently I offered a fleabay seller $20 for a couple of mugs, a Harpers Ferry and a Texas Paterson. They accepted my offer. These are the two mugs:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4436/35862527543_39f0837cd9_b.jpg)

It's interesting that the person labeling the Paterson mug doesn't know much about the production Patersons, see:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4367/35836767684_e0729e0f85_b.jpg)

Can you tell me what's wrong?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Mad Dog Stafford on August 19, 2017, 11:25:04 AM
It should say .44 caliber?
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: omarkw on August 19, 2017, 12:02:32 PM
Thought they were 25s.          Mark
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: mike116 on August 19, 2017, 01:36:25 PM
The first Paterson models were .28 caliber. 
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 19, 2017, 03:39:12 PM
Hi, the Paterson was made in four calibers, .28, .31, .34, and .36. One experimental Paterson was made in .54.

Since the subject on the mug is the Texas Paterson, all those were .36.

The label of the mug, .40 caliber, is wrong.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: omarkw on August 19, 2017, 08:18:10 PM
I humbly stand corrected.           Mark
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 20, 2017, 11:32:51 AM
Hi Mark, every time I carry my BP revolvers out to the range I think of this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2ssbgThljU

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 24, 2017, 08:40:49 AM
Hi, the replacement wedges from Taylor arrived today. Both wedges are slightly wider than the original wedge and seat well in the Pietta Paterson. As soon as I get the hardening compound I will try doing a surface hardening on the original wedge and report back what I learn. This is a video of the process:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIXGl_3li8

Regards,
Richard

Hi, I put the original Pietta Paterson wedge that had been hammered wider and surface hardened back in the Paterson. The wedge clamps the barrel hard to the arbor with just a little of the wedge protruding from the right side of the barrel. Time will tell if surface hardening helps the Pietta Paterson wedge distortion issue.

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on September 02, 2017, 12:54:21 PM
I can make the new sight fit the holster Richard.  Just send it to me and I'll take care of it.   (No charge of course)

Hi, Mike fixed my Paterson holster so that the Pietta Paterson with tall front sight now fits. I can't thank Mike enough for fixing my Paterson holster. Great customer service from Mike!!

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on November 18, 2017, 04:32:55 AM
Hi, early this year Kirst told me that they were working on a .22 conversion cylinder for the Pietta Paterson. I recently emailed Kirst to check on the status of this project. Their reply:

"Thanks for your inquiry; the 22 Patterson Konverter has been placed on the back burner. We've been busy reorganizing my company, which has turned out to be a huge project.

The 22 Patterson is still a high priority; I hope I can get back on it after the new year.

Keep in touch.

Walt Kirst"

I then emailed Howell to ask if they have any intentions on producing a .22 conversion cylinder for the Pietta Paterson. Their reply:

"We will not be making a 22 conversion for the Pietta Paterson.  Thank you for the inquiry.

Maggie"

Regards,
Richard



 
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 04, 2018, 07:44:20 AM
Hi, I love shooting my Pietta Paterson with taller dovetailed front sight. Considering that getting spare parts is becoming more and more difficult as time goes by, I ordered a new Paterson:

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/8656/category_id/321/product_name/RH0600+Dixie+Pietta+Texas+Paterson+Pistol

I used the money I saved for the Pietta Starr that isn't now being made.

One can't own enough Paterson's?  L@. L@. L@.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on August 04, 2018, 06:31:42 PM
Hi, I love shooting my Pietta Paterson with taller dovetailed front sight. Considering that getting spare parts is becoming more and more difficult as time goes by, I ordered a new Paterson:

Well, I guess that's one way to do it...
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 06, 2018, 04:04:21 AM
Hi Kirk, John Coffee "Jack" Hays equipped his troopers with two Patersons. I'm going to equip this new Paterson like my first one, tall front sight, lightened hammer spring, and slicking up the parts. This will let me do two handed steel target blasting. Using the brace of Patersons should be a lot easier to hold than doing a Josey Wales with a brace of Walkers.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 06, 2018, 09:18:53 AM
Hi, while waiting for my new Paterson to arrive, I narrowed a Paterson spring to produce a lighter hammer and trigger pull. A dremel tool with sanding drum was used to narrow the spring. An original and narrowed Paterson spring:

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1837/42982451665_6ab2389133_b.jpg)

The original is on the left.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on August 06, 2018, 08:26:49 PM
Nice work...as usual! )l_
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: LonesomePigeon on August 09, 2018, 08:36:42 PM
Nice. I am glad you got you Paterson shooting good. I would like to have a Paterson because they go back all the way to the fur trade era. The last rendezvous was in 1840. I doubt any mountain man ever carried a Paterson at the rendezvous but in theory it could have happened.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 10, 2018, 03:32:08 AM
Hi, the new Pietta Texas Paterson arrived yesterday:

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1839/43912722632_e01a3f8e31_b.jpg)

The work begins. I now need to figure out where all those parts go.  ;) ;)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 10, 2018, 05:52:28 AM
Hi, some things of note about this new Paterson. The fit and finish is perfect, just like my older Paterson. It's interesting that the new Paterson has a serial number just ~100 larger than the older one. The older Paterson was purchased from EMF Company, the new from Dixie Gun Works.

Like the older Paterson, the action is stiff, but the timing is good. Also, like the older Paterson the barrel takes some effort to remove after the wedge is out. Adding a 0.008" shim under the recoil shield should fix this problem just like it did with my older Paterson. All the internal parts have been smoothed and reassembled in the frame. It takes some good dexterity to successfully reassemble the Pietta Paterson.

Unless only to be used for display, IMO a new BP revolver shooter should stay away from the Paterson until they gain enough experience tearing down the more common Colt revolvers.

I'm still looking forward to Fingers report on how well his Goon tuned Pietta Paterson turned out.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 10, 2018, 08:52:06 AM
Hi, she is all back together and running like a fine swiss watch:

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/848/29026826047_b3ed72ff37_b.jpg)

Notice the brass shim at the bottom of the recoil shield. The barrel now goes on and off easily. All that left to do is correct the short arbor length and install a front sight.

Then it steel blasting time, baby.  &\? &\? &\?

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Miguel Loco on August 10, 2018, 07:28:35 PM
Just gorgeous....
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: scooby on August 11, 2018, 12:22:54 AM
Richard, on page one of this thread, you stated that persistence pays off. I tip my hat to you, because you are proving your statement to be true. In the end, you will end up with two Pietta Patersons that will be fully functional. The cost and efforts put forth to accomplish such an endeavor will be reaped by future shooters of said revolver, both by you immediate family and by anyone that takes the time to research your writings. Good on you mister! You are a grand asset to this forum. And remember this.......even though I do not always respond to all of your posts, I do read them and recognise their value. You have been one hell of a contributor to the percussion revolver enthusiast by passing on your experiences.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 11, 2018, 05:14:26 AM
Hi scooby, thank you for your very kind comments, I am humbled. Many the time it seemed that both my posts and photos have just gone down a rat hole where there was no interest to never be seen again. All posts took a big hit when PhotoBucket screwed us. So many photos were lost. I now keep my posted photos on my backed up computer, just in case Flickr does something similar to PhotoBucket.

IMO this message board would be more active if every member posted their BP experiences, especially the newbies. That would give confidence to other newbies just coming up the learning curve. Most people like to share their experiences with people of similar interests. Why that isn't happening here is a mystery to me. We were once all newbies.

The new Paterson arbor has been lengthened by JB Welding a brass button to the arbor end:

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1799/43071671145_98aca56c2d_b.jpg)

The brass button was then filed down until the barrel/cylinder gap is 0.005":

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1820/43977217171_136c72dc63_b.jpg)

The dovetail front sight will be done early next week.

BTW, I have a Paterson book that shows many original Patersons with a blade front sight, they are small, but still a blade. It seems all the repos have that 1851 version of a front sight?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: drobs on August 11, 2018, 11:47:02 AM
Neat looking gun!
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Electric Miner on August 11, 2018, 03:58:47 PM
I'd love to add a Paterson to my collection, but cannot justify the money they get for one. Maybe I'll run across one someday. Of course, I've said the same thing about an 1860, and that hasn't shown up on my doorstep yet.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 14, 2018, 11:52:49 AM
Hi, a new dovetail front sight has been added to my new Paterson. The rear sight was also widened. The new Paterson will now be sighted in to have poi=poa @25yds. The brace of Pattersons:

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1797/44035185921_f9ac433909_b.jpg)

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1833/44035186051_c09f8d9975_b.jpg)

The new Paterson is on the bottom of the photos.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: mike116 on August 14, 2018, 12:25:21 PM
Nice pair Richard.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 15, 2018, 04:01:54 AM
Hi, I ordered a used copy of Paterson Colt Pistol Variations, by Phillips Wilson on eBay, see:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/112287663208?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Prices for this book are all over the place, but I think this is the book to have if you are interested in the Paterson revolver.

Regards,
Richard

Hi, another Paterson revolver book for not too bad a price:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Paterson-Colt-Pistol-Variations-by-Philip-R-Pillips-R-L-Wilson-Hard-Cover/231628113866?hash=item35ee1c87ca%3Ag%3AscsAAOSwHnFVnusl&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=colt+paterson&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 16, 2018, 06:26:20 AM
Hi, the new Patterson was sighted in and shot today. The front sight was filed down to have poi = poa @25yds. This first shoot of a new revolver didn't go without a problem. Like the previous Pietta Paterson, the wedge would bottom in after the first shot. The soft barrel metal flows in the sharp corners of the wedge slot. The wedge was then hammered down to widen the wedge. That adjustment worked for the remainder of the shoot. IMO the cylinder/barrel gap of 0.005" is too small for the Paterson. Fouling on the barrel rear and cylinder face has the cylinder turn hard only after a few shots. If I ever get around to it, I will open up that gap to at least 0.008". I know the argument of a tight gap is suppose to minimizes fouling, but my experience with the Patersons shows just the opposite.

I shot at least 10 cylinders this morning. Yes, fouling on the arbor is an issue for the Paterson after a cylinder is shot. However, since one needs to remove the barrel to change or load cylinders, it's easy to remove the fouling from the arbor and hit it with a light spray of Ballistol.

Smoothing the action has done wonders for accuracy, a nice light crisp trigger pull. Two handed groups of 2" are easily achievable @25yds with a well tuned Paterson.

I must admit to having a dilemma on cleaning the Paterson. I usually strip my BP revolvers after shooting to clean them in hot soapy water. Since the recoil shield/arbor assembly is screwed to the frame, removing that part may affect realignment on assembly. One needs to take off the recoil shield/arbor assembly to get to the internal parts of the Paterson. I may just soapy water clean the barrel and cylinder, but only wipe the frame off with a wet rag.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Dave Shooter on August 16, 2018, 10:53:02 AM
Glad to hear it's a shooter and not just a looker.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 18, 2018, 09:50:57 AM
Hi Dave, what's nice about the Paterson is that the hammer face is flat and doesn't have a safety groove like the other PB Colts. That flat face minimizes cap jams. Some day I hope to find a Paterson with a loading lever.

What I find interesting is that those not into BP revolvers always comment on how beautiful the Paterson. Even my wife that has zero interest in BP shooting said that she would like to have a Paterson, just for display. I asked her if my Paterson displayed satisfies her, her answer "no, I want one".

In the past I have railed against the Paterson for a new BP shooter. However, if they are willing to do a little work, they will have a shooter Paterson that brings them considerable joy. Also, the accomplishment of taming the Paterson will do wonders for their ego.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on August 19, 2018, 05:55:56 AM
Hi, just received a neat bronze Paterson medal purchased on eBay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NATIONAL-RIFLE-ASSOCIATION-NRA-COLT-PATERSON-MEDAL-FREE-SHIPPING/192626824579?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

This bronze medal will be added to the silver Paterson medals that are around my living room display Paterson revolver. The silver medals look similar to the bronze:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/COLT-PATERSON-1836-REVOLVER-PISTOL-GUN-NRA-999-SILVER-COIN-RARE-CASE-COOL-G/381896124403?hash=item58eac867f3:g:8tAAAOSwJ7RYXZXR

Regards,
Richard

 
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on November 14, 2018, 08:50:54 AM
Hi, early this year Kirst told me that they were working on a .22 conversion cylinder for the Pietta Paterson. I recently emailed Kirst to check on the status of this project. Their reply:

"Thanks for your inquiry; the 22 Patterson Konverter has been placed on the back burner. We've been busy reorganizing my company, which has turned out to be a huge project.

The 22 Patterson is still a high priority; I hope I can get back on it after the new year.

Keep in touch.

Walt Kirst"

I then emailed Howell to ask if they have any intentions on producing a .22 conversion cylinder for the Pietta Paterson. Their reply:

"We will not be making a 22 conversion for the Pietta Paterson.  Thank you for the inquiry.

Maggie"

Regards,
Richard

Hi, I called Walt Kirst today to discuss Kirst making a conversion cylinder, either .22 or .38 Colt. It seems that Kirst has little interest in producing a conversion cylinder for the Paterson. He would be willing to make me one of a kind for ~$1500, but I told him that was a bit too rich for my blood. Too bad.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on November 14, 2018, 01:18:15 PM
Yeah, I would pass on that too. (jh
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: LonesomePigeon on November 21, 2018, 09:13:17 PM
"Hi Dave, what's nice about the Paterson is that the hammer face is flat and doesn't have a safety groove like the other PB Colts."

The Gregorelli & Uberti 1851 Navy repros I have also have a flat hammer face. Some of them still got cap jams because of rough machining or casting(not sure if they are machined or cast) on the edges.

As for the $1500 conversion cylinder for Paterson, I would pass on that too, there's a lot of other things I'd rather spend it on if I had $1500.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 12, 2019, 09:45:02 AM
Hi, I have noticed that the Pietta Paterson is going up in price, that is assuming you can get one, $780:

https://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/1836-Texas-Paterson-c531.htm

However, you can get a Pietta engraved Paterson for $1700.

These price increases seem to be following the inflation of other more complex Pietta revolvers like the LeMat.

I never dreamed that replica BP revolvers would command such high prices.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 23, 2019, 08:29:22 AM
Hi, real Patersons command a very high price:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU89W8x2pCk

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 25, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
Hi, I saw something on the Taylor Firearms site that suggests that the Pietta Paterson has been discontinued:

https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/pietta-patterson-revolver-parts.html

If true, it's too bad.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 26, 2019, 08:02:39 AM
Hi, concerned about getting extra cylinders for my Pietta Patersons I ordered two Pietta Paterson cylinders from VTI. They only have one in stock that is being shipped to me today. VTI told me they have more coming in two weeks. If you have the Pietta Paterson I recommend getting spare Paterson parts while you can.  K_) K_)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on February 27, 2019, 03:50:42 AM
Hi, sometimes it's difficult to know if information on the internet is true or not. Taylor Firearms says that the Pietta Paterson is being discontinued. I emailed Pietta to see if they confirmed that information. This is the reply to my email, "More Patersons will be available in April".

However, Pietta also said that the Pietta Starr revolver would be available, "Single Action only in May" on 2/18. Then in 6/18 when again asked, Pietta replied, "The Starrs are not in production and we donít know when they will be back".

At this point I don't know what to believe about the future availability of the Pietta Paterson, Paterson parts, or any other Pietta revolver.

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on March 01, 2019, 09:05:16 AM
Hi, the extra cylinder for the Pietta Paterson arrived yesterday. The nipples were removed and both the nipples and cylinder were degreased using paint thinner. The nipples were reinstalled with antisieze put on the threads. The Paterson is notorious for having cylinder wear near the bolt holes. I have another Pietta Paterson on display in my living room where I could use its cylinder, but want to keep that revolver pristine. Hopefully VTI will have two more extra Paterson cylinders available for me in two weeks. The Pietta Paterson shooter ready for some good weather:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7815/46334039965_bd49e5150b_b.jpg)

The Colt Paterson is one BP C&B revolver that is known to sometimes come with extra cylinders. I maintain that if Colt could supply extra cylinders for their first 1837 revolver, they could also do the same for their later model revolvers.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on March 14, 2019, 09:00:22 AM
Hi, last night I was cycling my living room display Pietta Paterson and noticed that the cylinder was rotating irregularly. When pointing the revolver down the cylinder would rotate correctly. This suggested that the hand spring may be broken. I took the Paterson apart and indeed the hand spring was broken. I have on hand four extra hand springs and replaced the broken spring. I may not have mentioned before that I use the book Antique Firearms, Assembly/Disassembly by David R. Chicoine when working on my replica BP revolvers. That book has the best write up on working on the Paterson I have found.

Something I notice about this thread are the large number of reads. There seems to be a lot of interest in the Paterson, but very few postings by others. It would be nice if others also posted their interest in the Paterson.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 14, 2019, 09:12:41 AM
Richard, I have great interest in the Paterson. I just don't own one (yet), so I have nothing to add to the conversation. But rest assured, I read everything you guys post. Keep it coming, there's plenty of people ingesting the information.
Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: ssb73q on March 14, 2019, 09:53:00 AM
Hi Dave, the Paterson is indeed a strange beast. IMO the revolver was designed by sequential engineering, IMO a reason Colt went bankrupt. There is little information about working on the innards. The only internet search I found that discussed the Paterson function were posts by our own Fingers McGee and 45 Dragoon:

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/position-of-hand-spring-on-replica-pietta-colt-paterson.819904/

Based on that thread I had expected Fingers last year to give a shooting report on his tuned Paterson.

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: EMF Paterson on sale
Post by: Captainkirk on March 14, 2019, 10:02:59 AM
Like Dave, I'd love to give you a report on my Paterson, but...well...I don't own one. ^j)
On the bright side, I soon hope to be able to give range reports on my Pedersoli Sharps and Navy Arms Winchester '66. &\?

Since you seem to be the reigning 'Prince of Paterson' here, we'll look to you for our informative write-ups and range reports.