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General Discussion / Re: Old West town for sale
« on: June 18, 2018, 01:59:17 AM »

J.H. Dance / Re: Pietta Dance Revolver
« on: February 27, 2018, 03:39:11 AM »
Years ago, Dr Jim L. Davis (of Replica Percussion Revolver Collector's Association fame) wrotethis  about J.H. Dance & Bros replicas on another site:
"replicas of the Confederate J.H. Dance Revolver in .36cal were made by Uberti in the mid 1980's. These were made in only two models. The first was a Commemorative set in walnut display case with all accessories including a leather covered flask. Each gun was issued with a Certificate of Authenticity. The revolver has a gold inlaid star on opposite sides of the Cylinder. These guns will have an AR prefix in the serial number. Without the accessories or certificate they have no collector value but I am interested in locating these as well.

After the production of the Commemorative, a "Shooter's" model was issued. These have no engraving or other markings except SMLS-Inc-Angleton-Texas on top of barrel and Uberti markings on left side of frame. Serial numbers start with 0001.

Both issues of these revolvers came in a Western Arms/Uberti box.

Pietta made a .36cal Dance revolver in 1996. These were issued by the newly formed Dance Firearms Co. of Angleton, Texas. These may or may not have Dance Firearms Co. on the barrel. Pietta also made a .44cal. Dance revolver with a rebated cylinder which will bear only the Pietta markings. I am interested I purchasing these as well. I am not interested in the current Piettas with the straight cylinder and 8" barrel as these are available new an are not accurate replicas of the original Dance revolver in .44cal. They are produced on a 1851 Navy frame with the straight shortened cylinder and 8" barrel. The original .44cal. Dance revolver is closer to the Dragoon than the 1851 Navy.

I attach a more thorough article about these replicas too. If my memory serves me well it was also written by Dr Jim L. Davis. I don't think you can open it online, but you can download it.

General Discussion / Re: Books
« on: February 17, 2018, 11:57:24 PM »
Is it Shumaker's book? If so, although a bit dated, it still is in my opinion a fascinating read. Anyone interested in Colt's revolvers should have one copy at home.

Schneider & Glassick / Re: Accidental Schneider and Glassick
« on: February 16, 2018, 12:27:17 AM »
PR was another Italian maker who supplied replicas to FIE after GLB's demise. If you own revolvers made by both and compare them, you will see that PR's were not as well made as GLB's. Of course, GLB was not Uberti or GDG, but he made fine reliable replicas within his part of the market: cheap brass framed replicas. He made plain or engraved revolvers. The engravings were hand made and tasteful.

Schneider & Glassick / Re: Accidental Schneider and Glassick
« on: February 15, 2018, 02:19:31 PM »
You are perfectly right, Sourdough. EIG Navies were built by Luciano Giacosa, a small Italian manufacturer. They bear his logo usually on their butt, usually besides Eig's logo. The stamp may be partially erased but it should still be there.

Schneider & Glassick / Re: Accidental Schneider and Glassick
« on: February 15, 2018, 03:39:41 AM »
If I may add my two cents, this one was proofed in 1964, which makes it a highly collectable one. EIG Navies were not the highest ranked replicas, but in retrospect they appear to have lasted longer than one might have thought. Furthermore, in the 9 years of making, only  a little more than 46,000 were made.

Schneider & Glassick / Re: Searching for S&G
« on: December 06, 2017, 03:30:34 AM »
I can't sell you anything from my own collectio due to US regulations. My advice would be to keep watching Gunbroker and get yourself one of the EIG Navies that pop up there quite regularly. To me they are the best Schneider & Glassick replicas taht were made, either plain or engraved. The prices may a bit overblown, but I guess you can talk the sellers into lowering them. One strong point is that the markings are very discreet. No "black powder only" on the barrel and so on...

Brass and Other Cartridge Casings / Re: Cartridge Boxes
« on: November 16, 2017, 03:01:47 PM »
Your 1860 COlt looks brand new. Why should your cartridge boxes not look brand new too?  :)

General Discussion / Re: What would you like?
« on: November 09, 2017, 01:45:37 AM »
I did turn a 1851 into a Dance & Brothers by milling the recoil shield off and sanding the naval battle off the cylinder. Still I know that I did it, and that it was not a proper Dance from the start.  :(

General Discussion / Re: What would you like?
« on: November 08, 2017, 11:50:35 PM »
Leech & Rigdon, and Dance & Brothers in .36 caliber.

General Discussion / Re: Books
« on: August 14, 2017, 01:15:37 AM »
The Story of Colts Revolver,  The Biography of Col. Samuel Colt  by  William B. Edwards  1953.
Thanks to your message, I went out to look for a copy, found one, got it and started reading it. I've only got to page 120 as of yet, but I can tell it is a fascinating read. Thanks for your advice Krylandalian.  ;D

Army Models / Re: Unknown 1860
« on: July 02, 2017, 02:20:07 AM »
Glad I can be of assistance to start a conversation.   ;)
Sorry to crash into your thread that way. Thanks for having us. :)

Sounds good to me.  I've never heard of Riva Esterina until now.  What other trade marks did they use?
As far as i know, they also used DART as a trademark, in addition to their own name. So they used at least 3 different trademarks:
- PR for black powder replicas of handguns and long arms,
- DART for side arms such as Python, Black Widow and DObermann,
- Riva Esterina at least for carbines such as the Pony Carbine and the Texas Carbine.

Army Models / Re: Unknown 1860
« on: July 01, 2017, 12:40:20 PM »
A couple years ago, I sent an inquiry to the Consorzio Armaioli Italiani asking if they knew who was hiding behind the PR mark, and this is what Ms Monica Cancarini answered:
"PR is a proof mark for RIVA ESTERINA. The company stopped their production at the end of 1979/1980 (more or less)."
This being consistent with what the proofhouse told me, I believe PR to be one of the trade marks Riva Esterina used.

Schneider & Glassick / Re: Help identifying gunmaker
« on: May 16, 2017, 03:18:57 PM »
A gun kit such as this model has a barrel, a frame, and a cylinder. It is designed to be assembled and to shoot. So each piece has to be proofed before it goes into the kit. It is just a matter of safety. That's the way we see it in Europe anyway.
Once each piece has been proofed, it bears the proof markings, including the date code. I don't know if this was mandatory back in the 1960s and 1970s, but it is now.

Thanks for the answer, Valforgettaboutit.
The problem for me is I can't have access through my local library as I don't live in the U.S.A.
Oh well.... I guess I'll just have to make do without it, as I did before I knew it existed...  )lI

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