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Square Trigger Guard
« on: December 05, 2015, 05:44:57 PM »
Back when I was first looking at BP revolvers I was drawn to the Walker and Dragoon, and with the various Dragoon models as I was drawn to the square trigger guard (I have smaller hands and doubt I'd have problems rapping my knuckles as some do).

So I go to wonder about the Baby Dragoon, and thought it also had a squared trigger guard (I checked Cimmaron and Taylors but couldn't find a squared guard) and figured it would swap on a Police. Should fit, right (no modifying)?

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2015, 05:51:59 PM »
I believe that Colt made some of the pocket models in 31 cal that had square backs on them.  I don't know if Uberti made any repros that way.  I know at least three guys here that can answer that question.  One of them will fill us in soon.

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2015, 05:56:16 PM »
Cimmaron's parts like shows a rounded whereas Taylor's shows a squared but states it's rounded. I'm thinking its a Baby Dragoon model but could very well be mistaken as I'm not too familiar with them.

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2015, 07:11:28 PM »
Colt made more pocket models than any other revolver design they produced.  There were many variations over the years,  too many for me to remember.

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2015, 07:20:08 PM »
Though I understand how different things were back then, that just being shot could be deadly a week or three later could keep people from misbehaving, I also have to wonder if it was partly due the to alternatives they had then. Initially it was a huge and heavy Dragoon, and later a long .36 that required a holster. And then there was the cost.

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2015, 07:25:57 PM »
I'm sure size and cost were big factors in the popularity of the pocket models.   Plus being out and about completely unarmed put you in the minority out here in the West.   A gun you could carry in a coat pocket had to be an attractive piece.

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2015, 04:04:55 AM »
The 31s were available with round or squared guards originally and in reproductions.  Originals are also found with 5 or 6 shot cylinders, reproductions are only found with 6 chambers.  The Pocket Models were originally produced with round guards only and Uberti has chosen to continue that tradition.  If you can locate a squared Uberti Pocket guard, it should fit with a bit of tinkering.

Some of my Pocket Revolvers.  The revolvers at 6,9 and 12 o'clock are belt models.

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2015, 05:40:33 AM »
The 31s were available with round or squared guards originally and in reproductions.  Originals are also found with 5 or 6 shot cylinders, reproductions are only found with 6 chambers.  The Pocket Models were originally produced with round guards only and Uberti has chosen to continue that tradition.  If you can locate a squared Uberti Pocket guard, it should fit with a bit of tinkering.

Some of my Pocket Revolvers.  The revolvers at 6,9 and 12 o'clock are belt models.

Kevin

Uberti's are all five shot. Pietta's are all six shot and are actually nothing more than a short barreled 51. The Uberti uses the 49 frame with a rebated cylinder as per originals.

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2015, 06:11:45 AM »
Hi StrawHat, I like that white grip pistol!  L@.

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2015, 06:49:18 AM »
I believe that Colt made some of the pocket models in 31 cal that had square backs on them.  I don't know if Uberti made any repros that way.  I know at least three guys here that can answer that question.  One of them will fill us in soon.

Yes, the 1848 Pocket came only with a square back trigger guard. Then Colt came out with a new designed 1849 Pocket modle. It was the same size and shape as the 1848, except it predominantly had a round trigger guard, along with a few other design changes and the majority had loading levers. There are some 1849's that do have a square back trigger guard though. By the early 1860's the '49 went from a 5 shot to a six shot cylinder.

Fast forward to the Uberti copies. Yes, Uberti does make both the 1848 and the 1849 modles. All '48s will have round cylinder bolt slots and no loading levers. And sad to say, until recently, they also had square back trigger guards. Now they are only available with a round trigger guard. That is a shame too because the square back was one of only two original features that Uberti used with their copy to distinguish it as a '48. Now without the square back, it is nothing more than an 1849 "Wells Fargo" with round cylinder bolt slots. I do have the Uberti 1848 with the square back guard made in 2001. Not sure when it was no longer available, but it was within the last two years, just as it is with with the 1851 that is longer available with the square back option. Perhaps VTI still has some '48 trigger guards in stock.
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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2015, 06:59:36 AM »
And just for the curious, the other features of the 1848 that were never included on the Uberti clone are a a hammer with out the roller, the end of the arbor cupped out to serve as a loading ram, and the Comanche cylinder scene.

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2015, 11:18:17 AM »
The 31s were available with round or squared guards originally and in reproductions.  Originals are also found with 5 or 6 shot cylinders, reproductions are only found with 6 chambers. 
Kevin

Reproduction pocket models only come with 5 shot cylinders (Pietta/Traditions 1862 police is not a pocket model.  It uses the 1851/1861 frame

I believe that Colt made some of the pocket models in 31 cal that had square backs on them.  I don't know if Uberti made any repros that way.  I know at least three guys here that can answer that question.  One of them will fill us in soon.
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2nd Gen Colt Baby Dragoons all had square back trigger guards and no loading lever.  Signature series '48 baby dragoons had square back trigger guard and no loading lever- same as the 2nd Gens.  They also made the '49 Pocket Models that had loading levers and a round trigger guard.

ASM and Uberti made pocket models with square back and round trigger guards.

Your best bet for finding a pocket model with square back trigger guard is one of the auction sites.
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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2015, 11:39:50 AM »
I'm a bit leery of buying used BP guns as I don't know if they've been abused or neglected.

A rounded trigger guard isn't a dealbreaker but I'd gladly fork over a bit of cash for a prettier trigger guard. I'd be buying the shorty 3.5" barrel so a little extra in the box wouldn't be an issue.

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2015, 04:21:54 AM »
...Uberti's are all five shot. Pietta's are all six shot and are actually nothing more than a short barreled 51. The Uberti uses the 49 frame with a rebated cylinder as per originals...

I was not aware that Uberti made a 5 shot 31.  All of the 31s I have seen, Uberti or ASM, are 6 shot.  Please, post a photo.

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Re: Square Trigger Guard
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2015, 04:25:31 AM »
The 31s were available with round or squared guards originally and in reproductions.  Originals are also found with 5 or 6 shot cylinders, reproductions are only found with 6 chambers. 
Kevin

Reproduction pocket models only come with 5 shot cylinders (Pietta/Traditions 1862 police is not a pocket model.  It uses the 1851/1861 frame

I believe that Colt made some of the pocket models in 31 cal that had square backs on them.  I don't know if Uberti made any repros that way.  I know at least three guys here that can answer that question.  One of them will fill us in soon.
)

2nd Gen Colt Baby Dragoons all had square back trigger guards and no loading lever.  Signature series '48 baby dragoons had square back trigger guard and no loading lever- same as the 2nd Gens.  They also made the '49 Pocket Models that had loading levers and a round trigger guard.

ASM and Uberti made pocket models with square back and round trigger guards.

Your best bet for finding a pocket model with square back trigger guard is one of the auction sites.

Perhaps we are confusing the issue with nomenclature.  I mentioned the reproduction 31s were all 6 shot.  It seems many of the members are aware of 5 shot 31s.  I am fully aware of the Uberti Pocket Models being 5 shot revolvers but they are chambered for the 38 caliber ball not a 31. 

The Pietta is still a decent copy of the 1861 with a custom length barrel.

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