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New flintlock rifle coming
« on: December 10, 2015, 08:54:12 AM »
Hi, last night I ordered a new 50 caliber Pedersoli Hawken flintlock from Cabelas.
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda-prodotto.asp/l_en/idpr_377/rifles-hawken-traditional-hawken-target-rifle-flintlock.html

It was on sale for $100 off last night, but full price today. I lucked out, those that hesitate are lost? I have two Thompson Center (TC) (.45 & .50 caliber) Hawkens, but they are percussion. There is something special about flintlocks. I have a Traditions Trapper 50 caliber and Pedersoli Kentucky flintlocks that I enjoy immensely. The only negative I see about the Pedersoli Hawken is that it doesn't have the hooked breach like on the Trapper and TC Hawkens. The hooked breach helps for a quick barrel removal for cleanup.

Which do you like better, percussion or flintlock?

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Richard
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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2015, 10:14:27 AM »
I wouldn't mind having a flintlock rifle or pistol...later on here.  )lI

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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2015, 07:28:17 AM »
Congratulations on your new rifle. Yes, hooked breeches are great for cleaning the bore, but you just have to take a few precautions when cleaning the non-hooked breech guns. And I do prefer my flintlocks, although I have percussion guns also.

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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2015, 06:40:43 PM »
Pedersoli is pretty nice stuff.

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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2015, 08:05:09 PM »
I like the flint lock ignition better. Biggest reason for that though is historical interests. Been shooting them for a lot of years. Some of them went down the road as time went by. I have a fair assortment of rifles, smooth bores, and pistols.

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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2015, 03:54:59 AM »
Hi, my new Pedersoli Hawken rifle arrived late yesterday. The fit and finish is excellent, typical of Pedersoli. A nice surprise is that the walnut stock is not plain, but has a nice figure in the area of the cheekpiece. The Pedersoli Hawken uses the same lock and trigger guard as the Pedersoli Kentucky rifle. Lock time with the Kentucky rifle is poor so I'm not expecting too much from the Hawken.

On the questions area of the Cabelas Hawken description someone asked what is the flint size that the Hawken rifle used. Someone said a 3/4x7/8" flint. WRONG!! It's the same size as the Kentucky, 1/2x5/8". Too bad I wasted money by preordering the larger 3/4" flints.

There is one area of the Hawken that I dislike, the mounting of the trigger guard. It isn't inlet like the Kentucky but simply screwed to the face of the stock. That may allow more relief for a gloved hand, but it looks like crap. Inletting the Hawken trigger guard my be a future project of mine.

God knows when the weather will allow me to test this new Hawken for accuracy.

All in all, this new Hawken should be a nice addition to my frontstuffer rifles.

Regards,
Richard
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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2015, 04:38:17 AM »
Nice early Christmas present Richard.   Can't go wrong with a new Pedersoli.   Happy to hear it arrived safe and sound.

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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2015, 05:18:22 AM »
Good for you Richard.

I have been around a few Pedersoli rifles at the rondy scenes. Owned a 32 calibre Blue Ridge for a couple years.

They always seem to have good wood. With a bit of tinkering, the locks can be improved to a tolerable level. The frizzens often lack the proper carbon content and are a bit hard, which doesn't always allow for a good shower of sparks. One must keep the rock edge sharp by knapping often.

Expect a few pictures of your new rifle soon.

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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2015, 07:39:05 AM »
Hi scooby, your wish is my command:





On close examination, the touch hole on the Hawken is at the top of the flash pan, on the Kentucky it's at the bottom. The Hawken has a larger diameter barrel than the Kentucky. I don't remember where the flash hole location is considered ideal.

I swabbed out the Hawken barrel to clear the proofing debris and to feel the condition of the bore. It feels pretty smooth.

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Richard
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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2015, 08:15:49 AM »
Hi Richard, Very nice. I like that one!  L@.

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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2015, 09:40:24 AM »
Looks a lot like the Lyman Trade Rifle. Very nice, Richard!
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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2015, 11:45:56 AM »
Hi, I forgot to mention that this rifle has fiber optics in the rear sight. While not historic, it sure aids getting sighted on a target. You don't notice the fiber optics until sighting the rifle. IMO it's a nice add on for a hunting rifle. I have a hunch that the high touchhole of the Hawken will allow for a fast lock time compared to the lower touchhole of the Kentucky. I can't wait until I can test this rifle.

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Richard
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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2015, 01:38:20 PM »
I can't wait until I can test this rifle.

Neither can we!
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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2015, 01:57:41 PM »
On the flintlocks I built, the vent was drilled at a point that bisected a line drawn across the top of the pan.  This allowed the powder in the pan to flash through the channel permitting a faster ignition time.  I learned this many years ago from a group of gunsmiths, Cecil Brooks, Wes Kindig, Jim Johnston and others.  With a hole in the bottom of the pan, the powder has to burn down to the vent.

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Re: New flintlock rifle coming
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2015, 08:01:38 PM »
Hi Kevin, thanks for the reply. Based on what you said, since the touchhole of the Hawken is in a line with the top of the flashpan/bottom-of-frizzen there is hope for a fast locktime with the Hawken. I do remember banking the powder in the flashpan away from the lower touchhole of the Kentucky, but that didn't seem to make much difference.

Regards,
Richard
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