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Rifles => Smoothbores => Topic started by: Dave on December 20, 2014, 04:42:06 AM



Title: cannon question
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2014, 04:42:06 AM
In my town, in a cemetery, there is a Civil War Memorial dedicated in 1874.  Four soldiers are buried around the base of the monument.  At some later point, four cast iron cannons were added around the base of the monument (date unknown, probably an anniversary of the CW).  The cannons are now being refurbished - cleaned and painted.  We're trying to determine when the cannons were placed there and how old they might be.
They fire a 6 lb ball.  What bothers me is the fact that on each cannon's top, running the full length from muzzle to breech, is a seam of some kind.  I think it's a casting seam, which might mean that the cannons are replicas or reproductions.  When I pointed it out, suggesting that a seam would be a weak spot, someone else told me that it actually would be a stronger part of the cannon, depending on how they might have welded the two pieces together.
From what I've read, cannons were not welded together in two parts, but poured in one piece in a mold.
Any ideas?  I think they might be repros.


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2014, 05:14:53 AM
Or...maybe the seam is from a two part mold, like a roundball mold. Hmmm...


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Baron Von Kesselwalker on December 20, 2014, 01:22:22 PM
these  guys  might   know  ........   http://www.howitzers.com/


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Smokin_Gun on December 20, 2014, 02:47:05 PM
Or...maybe the seam is from a two part mold, like a roundball mold. Hmmm...

The ones back home were seamless, but tapered down to the muzzle end but had a breech ... big ass sukers they are... still tryin' ta find back east pics...maybe are in cannon section here ... hadn't checked.


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2014, 09:36:58 PM
I sent some pics to a cannon expert in TN and am waiting for his response.  I'm on the fence with these - there are no markings at all, anywhere on the cannons - no US markings, bore size, maker's mark, etc.  I found a newspaper article from 1874 describing the monument and dedication ceremony and there were no cannons there originally.  In the barrel of one cannon that had been filled with cement was a crumpled up newspaper from 1957.  So, sometime between 1874 and 1957 the cannons were placed there.


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Smokin_Gun on December 21, 2014, 01:39:57 AM
I'm a guessing they ain't be the real deal ... w/o markings at all... still lookin' in here for my Mom's funeral time pics of me and Jes sittin' on cannons with the info plates ...


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Dave on December 21, 2014, 05:48:08 PM
One of the guys on the current monument committee found some info that said back in 1874 the local GAR asked the Commonwealth of MA for four surplus cannons to be used at the monument.  They weren't placed in 1874 but it looks like they got some surplus or condemned cannons at some point that might have been stripped of all government markings.  Makes sense if they can only find out when and if they got the cannons.


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Smokin_Gun on December 22, 2014, 11:19:32 PM
 :D Sounds close enough for me and Gov't work ... I say YE they are the real deal ... ....  1874 Cannons  K(% (K* ("$ {-5


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Dave on December 23, 2014, 08:38:02 AM
I don't know why I didn't put this in the cannon section .
Here they are, stripped and ready to be painted, which I guess is a good thing.
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/cannon6_zps73eda8bb.png)


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Dave on December 23, 2014, 02:01:20 PM
I sent the pics to a cannon expert in TN and this is what he sent back (it's tough to ID something from a pic):

Sorry I cannot provide any solid ID.   From the one photo they look rather American ca, 1800-1815.  I can only see one knob and it is not drilled for a .5 inch hole indicting it was not mounted on a late era Gribeauval field carriage circa 1830 as found on most all the P1834 iron sixes and some 1790's howitzers which were retro fitted to late pattern carriages.  If any of them have holes drilled through the knob then they were once fitted to late era field carriages and are more certainly American.  Europeans did not do that, correctly estimating that is a weak point  for breaking off a knob during heavy shooting. 
 
Good Luck!
Ken


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Smokin_Gun on December 23, 2014, 10:53:50 PM
Pretty good reply though Dave... hell I'm happy knowing that much ... they are much earlier than I expected to see ... I'd say that's a good thing ... can I have one? will pay shipping and send ya two original Colts (_L {9)


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Dave on December 24, 2014, 07:15:52 AM
I'll bring one out to you.  I need a vacation.


Title: Re: cannon question
Post by: Smokin_Gun on December 24, 2014, 10:55:37 PM
K... Dave will stock up on BP....m
Merry Christmas