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Revolvers/Pistols => Cleaning & Loading => Topic started by: Navy Six on April 29, 2015, 11:54:51 AM



Title: combustible cartridges
Post by: Navy Six on April 29, 2015, 11:54:51 AM
Have been toying with combustible paper cartridges for cap&ball guns for awhile with moderate success. Most of the time I've used cigarette paper, untreated, containing only the powder charge, about 18 gr. FFF Goex in 36 cal 51/61 Uberti Navies. Ignition has been virtually 100% Biggest drawback has been the ash deposit left in the cylinder. Seeking to resolve that problem, I tried this experiment today:
 Two types of cartridges were made up. The first was the above mentioned cigarette paper containing 18 gr FFF Goex. However, after a suitable number were made, I then dipped them in melted beeswax.The second type contained the same powder charge, but instead of cigarette paper, I used common wax paper. The remainder of the load for both consisted of a wool wad soaked in Gatofeo #1 lube topped with a 375 round ball.
Twenty four rounds each were fired through two different Uberti Navies. Ignition was 100% The amount of residue left in the cylinder was much less than the untreated cigarette paper, but it was firmer, looking like a bit of paper/wax "mush".
By the way, I don't want to take credit for this as both ideas were screened from other peoples suggestions. I just thought some might be interested in the outcome. Was it worth the effort? Only if I was going to be carrying around the combustible cartridges as they were much more durable than just paper alone. For a day at the range or cowboy match, I'll stick with a flask.


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Festus on April 30, 2015, 04:59:57 AM
I also tried making cartridges out of cigarette papers and had the same "ash" in the chambers. I glued a round ball to the end after I poured in the powder.
It was "neat looking" to load like that but after a hundred or so went back to the flask.


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: twin colt on May 13, 2015, 02:03:53 PM
Try these worked good for the colts  {9) }&@


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Festus on May 14, 2015, 04:31:32 AM
I can't see what they are.


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: decrepit on May 14, 2015, 12:51:52 PM
My may not be the easiest but it works for me.  Went to the beauty skip, got a roll of curler papers.  They don't use them much anymore..  soaked them in nitrate, let then paper dry.  it is now easier to work with.. cut to the size you need .  I then roll tube on a dowel the size of the  ball. let the glue dry, pull the dowel back and seat the bullet with glue on it.  you can also pull the dowel back after you let the paper dry and add your powder.  I let the paper dry on the ball, remove the dowel then put in a measure of powder.  Tuck in edges apply clue to hold.  punch in a few holes and load in the cylinder.  Practice will make it easier and faster.  The nitrated paper will leave less ash.


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: twin colt on May 15, 2015, 08:42:44 AM
It's a picture of Sally's jumbo end wraps for permin longer and more abundant hair than I have now a days.got 1000 of them for $ 8.00 {9) }&@


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Navy Six on May 15, 2015, 12:27:07 PM
Amazing the ideas people come up with. One of the things I like best about the blackpowder hobby in general is the amount of experimenting that can go on. Especially using common household items. I still reload cartridges(with blackpowder of course) for CAS matches, but I had gotten things worked out to a point I was getting a bit complacement. Working with the various cap & ball guns again (my second go-round with them) has forced me to re-think things and try different approaches. A great thing as I just retired and have plenty of time to try these things without the distraction of "work".  This sure is a lot of fun (K*!!!


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: twin colt on May 15, 2015, 05:48:40 PM
It's just beginning.i started with one gun but now I have a few more {9) :D }&@


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: decrepit on May 23, 2015, 12:38:07 PM
And when you have enough, you will always need one more.


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Festus on May 24, 2015, 03:49:41 AM
And when you have enough, you will always need one more.


That is what happened to me until I had 74.
The folks on voy bought most of them when I had to move to town...


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Navy Six on May 24, 2015, 08:22:21 AM
Wow, Festus!! I thought I was bad! Its kind of funny how the cap&ball bug bites--seems like you can't get enough (k$. I hope you didn't sell off too many, though. You get down to about 20 guns and you are practically unarmed!! )'>


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Festus on May 25, 2015, 07:46:16 AM
Wow, Festus!! I thought I was bad! Its kind of funny how the cap&ball bug bites--seems like you can't get enough (k$. I hope you didn't sell off too many, though. You get down to about 20 guns and you are practically unarmed!! )'>

I moved into a tiny, tiny apartment because I could no longer take care of mine and my wife's place. ( We did keep 10 acres of woods)
I had to sell all blackpowder and modern arms......


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Navy Six on May 27, 2015, 11:12:17 AM
Uberti Sisters, even though a Colt( 51 Navy) would be my sentimental pick, I have a hard time arguing against your choice of a Rogers & Spencer revolver! I have three right now and absolutely love them--trouble free and very accurate. Never understood why they were not more popular.
 As for the rifle, not sure  ($B if the choice can include cartridge guns or not. Almost embarrassed  :-[to say I've never shot a Sharps. My most used blackpowder rifles are Uberti 66 Winchesters--so will have to go with that.


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Fingers McGee on May 27, 2015, 07:38:34 PM
Quote from: Navy Six
Never understood why they were not more popular.

Lousy timing.  They never got issued or used.  They came out too late to be used during the War and ended up in storage till the turn of the century when they got sold as scrap.


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Navy Six on May 28, 2015, 01:41:40 PM
I know, Fingers, but any truth to the reports of the 800 or so that supposed to have made it out into civilian hands? If so, that should dispell some objections I hear. That same point didn't seem to deter people from buying Ruger Old Armies. Don't mean that as any form of criticism, just an observation.
Just wish the darn Rogers & Spencers were still being made.


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Baron Von Kesselwalker on May 31, 2015, 06:28:51 PM
... got  some Sally's jumbo end wrappers   for  my golden lox ,, here is something  nice  about  them ,  cheap  for  $3.00 / 1k .... K(%

did a test  with just burning  " wrap "  by itself  an there is very little residue --- almost  fLsh  paper...

 will  twist  up some  next  month for  my  R O A   first ... (k$


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Navy Six on March 03, 2016, 01:45:10 PM
Well, I don't know when to quit! Tried more paper cartridges yesterday. Two different types in a Uberti 5" 51 Navy .36. One was made from teabags. Remembered the idea from an article in the SASS Chronicle(April '07). Followed those intructions. After making about 50 cartridges I ran out of teabags. Wanted to continue the experiment so I substituted common coffee filter paper. Figured you don't know till you try. After 65 rounds through the same gun, here's what I got:
1) ignition was instantaneous for every round. Couldn't tell the difference from loose powder.
2) some loose unburned paper still left in some of the chambers, but less than my previous cigarette paper cartridges
3) what paper was left, however was a pain to remove. It was packed into the very bottom of the chamber right up against the nipple. I couldn't get it
    out even with a thin screwdriver. Had to resort to firing another cap on those chambers. One was even tightly packed into the front part of the nipple
    (directly under where a cap would go). I was using Slix Shot nipples and I can't believe that much paper made in through that small flash hole.
4) so I believe I'm going to stick with a flask unless you just want to use the paper cartridges when relosding isn't planned--like maybe the last stage of the day at a Cowboy shoot.


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Baron Von Kesselwalker on March 04, 2016, 01:06:34 PM
....Excellent  range  report .... I will load  up some of them  cartridges with the hair wraps ...


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: decrepit on March 04, 2016, 07:59:22 PM
Suggest you get in contact with Charlie at charlirstubes.com.  Charlie sells a combustable tube for C Sharps rifles.  I think I could design a slip in if charlie can come up with a size tube.  It would have a combustable end, filled with powder, a lube pill on top of the powder and a ball on top of that pushed down snug with the loading lever.  If I could see well enough Id try it.


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: decrepit on March 04, 2016, 08:29:02 PM
just looked charlie up.  hid email is  shilohrifle.com  He's a go to guy for Sharps problems.  look at his web page and get an idea of what I'm talking about


Title: Re: combustible cartridges
Post by: Navy Six on March 05, 2016, 07:24:59 AM
Thanks, Decrepit, for the info and website. I will check it out in a bit. Whether or not I finally get these things to work, this is all a lot of fun experimenting! (K* Keeps me busy with things I love to do, so no complaints from me! {?{