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Revolvers/Pistols => All Other Mfg. Revs => Topic started by: Dave on February 02, 2017, 08:44:21 PM



Title: Walther P38
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2017, 08:44:21 PM
There it was, in The Store, at a crazy low price.  A Walther P38 9mm.  Made in 1944 by the Mauser company, then refurbished/reassembled by the French when they took over the Mauser company right after WW2, then sold to the Austrian police/army.  It has the Mauser stamps and date, the French star, and the Austrian stamps.  All matching, pristine bore, clean inside and out.  I ordered a replacement spring pack from Numrich that should be here soon.
No more Kittery...

(http://i67.tinypic.com/x3z6vq.jpg)


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: decrepit on February 03, 2017, 08:03:04 AM
 {_( {_( No more Kittery till next time.   Is that a bakeolite grip?


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2017, 11:03:14 AM
A poster on a Walther forum said the grips looks to be French (post WW2).  I'm not sure what they are.  I'm still in the Check It Out phase.  If this gun could talk...well, I wouldn't understand a word it said.
I am going to shoot it as soon as I replace the recoil springs.
Apparently Kittery recently bought out a 50 gun estate and I swear they put them out one at a time when they see me coming. I'm way past the "It's an investment" rationale.  I gotta come up with another excuse.


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Wild Wilkie on February 03, 2017, 12:24:12 PM
Excellent! There used to be a lot of these at gun shows around here some years back. I saw only two at the gun show a couple of weeks ago.
Wilkie


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2017, 02:39:51 PM
I found this site that's pretty interesting.  Mine has the Mauser factory mark - byf44- which makes it kinda rare.  
I think they made the P38s up into the 60s. 
So, this gun went from Germany to France to Austria to Maine to Mass.  That's very far right to very far left.

http://p-38.info/french_p38s/index.htm


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Festus on February 04, 2017, 03:02:15 AM
Good find.
Yep, don't see many like that.
Most of that I see is plain 43 Mauser.

Hey I think the S&W model 39 magazine fits that...


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Dave on February 04, 2017, 04:33:35 AM
I'll check out that mag - I'm looking for a spare.
The gun had a problem when I fist got it - if I shook it pretty hard when the slide was back and the safety was on, the slide would release and slam forward.  I posted on a P38 forum and a poster suggested that maybe the slide release spring under the grips was in up-side down.  I checked it and it was in wrong.  I turned it around and it works fine.
Kittery has a Mauser Broomhandle semi-auto that's selling for just about what I paid for my truck.  I handled it and check it out last night.  The stock removes and becomes the holster.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/617712719


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Festus on February 05, 2017, 03:55:17 AM
The Broomhandle is the one that I always wanted and never got around to buying one.
I didn't care for the 7.62 (too hard to find) so I looked at the 9 mm.
 


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Dave on February 07, 2017, 03:14:33 AM
On that Gunbroker listing for Kittery Trading Post, check out the "Sellers Other items."  It's 25 pages long.  The funny thing is that other than the Broomhandle there's not one handgun they will sell me because I'm from MA (unless I missed one that was over 50 yrs old).  They'll sell me any long gun but no handguns, which is probably a good thing marriage-wise. 


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Festus on February 07, 2017, 03:42:26 AM
One can buy long guns in adjoining States but not hand guns.
Federal law.
I live in Indiana but do a lot of "stuff" in Kentucky because it is just across the Ohio River.
There is a pawn/gun shop 4 miles from me. I can buy long guns there but not hand guns. 


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Dave on February 08, 2017, 03:08:56 AM
They will ship handguns to an FFL in other states, but not to MA.  I don't blame them - MA has a "compliance list" and if the gun is not on that list, it cannot come into the state.  So, most gun sellers don't want to get involved with MA at all, even if the gun is on the list.  Midway, Cabellas, etc won't even ship new, unprimed brass or bullets to MA, even though it's perfectly legal.  I found a Nagant revolver in Montana last summer but no FFL in MA would take it into their store - Nagant revolvers aren't on the list.  That's why I got the C&R license - they can ship the guns right to my door if they meet the C&R criteria.  Kittery wouldn't even sell me an 1850's pinfire revolver last year because it used a cartridge and I was from MA.  It's so friggin' annoying...


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Festus on February 08, 2017, 03:54:42 AM
That sucks.


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Dave on February 08, 2017, 08:02:53 AM
The good thing is that I like older guns.  Kittery will sell me any cap and ball revolver, any rifle or shotgun, and now with the C&R, they'll sell me handguns on the C&R list.  I looked at a "modern" S&W .40 caliber semi-auto last month (in MA) and though it's a nice gun, at a good price, it didn't grab my attention. 


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Festus on February 08, 2017, 11:26:11 AM
Since I now live in a teeny, tiny apartment with not much room, I now collect little North American Arms 22 mag mini revolvers.
They don't take up much space at all. I can get a bunch in a shoe box.
You can carry 2 or 3 and not even know you have them.


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Dave on February 08, 2017, 06:41:07 PM
How do the .22 mags compare to the Long Rifle rounds?
There's another gun I can't buy unless I find one in MA.


I took the Walther to the range today.  I bought some 9mm target ammo that's safe to shoot in the old guns.  It was a crazy 50 degrees out today, and tomorrow we have about a foot of snow coming with temps in the teens and single numbers, so I figured I'd better get out while I could.  I replaced the recoil springs with new ones - the old ones were in tough shape.  What a great shooter.  50 rounds with not a single misfire or hiccup of any kind.  It's a natural pointer - accuracy was great until I started aiming.


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Festus on February 09, 2017, 04:22:43 AM
The normal 22 mag is not much better than a high end 22 LR (CCI Mini Mag).
Hornady makes a 22 Mag for the short barreled pistols.
Hornady claims it to be about as good as a good .380.
"The top bullet is a 380 Auto 90 gr. Critical Defense round at 896 fps from a 2.75" barrel Ruger LCP. The bottom bullet is a 22 WMR 45 gr. Critical Defense round from a S&W 351 PD with a 1-7/8" barrel at 1038 fps."
I tried to post the picture of the ballistic jelly showing the paths of the 22 mag and 380 but I failed. The patterns in the jelly are about the same.


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Dave on February 09, 2017, 09:47:35 AM
1038 fps is faster than my .38s, .45s, close to .357.  Light bullets but I wouldn't want to stop one.
I have a Remington Nylon 66 .22 that's great to shoot.  I also pieced together a single shot Stevens .22 from parts that I found in an antique shop and from ebay.
I like 22s but they were scarce around here not too long ago.  I think people were hoarding them.


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Festus on February 10, 2017, 03:10:01 AM
The 22's are starting to show up around here also. (Southern Indiana)
None of the reasons that I heard for the shortage made me believe them.
Hording? Who was hording them. 22's weren't getting to the gun shops. It wasn't a middle man trying to keep the price high. There was none to sell.
Ammo factories too busy, all machinery tied up making centerfire ammo?  Centerfire and rimfire not made on the same machines.

I think the Ammo Companies wanted to raise the price so they just stopped making rimfire for about 8 years.

I don't think one will see 22 LR below $4.00 a box anymore except for sales.


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Dave on February 10, 2017, 06:35:39 AM
Example: a friend said he was running low on 22s and he wanted to get some more.  I asked how many he had and he said over 1000.  This guy shoots once every five years or so.
Talking to guys at my club, I hear the same thing about 22s.  People also hoarded brass for reloading.  I'm lucky I have a bunch of 30-40 brass but it seems to be scarce.


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Festus on February 11, 2017, 03:54:31 AM
In 22's, 1000 was a week end of shooting before I moved to town.
Of course Thunderbolts were only $1.25 a box...
That was just 8 years ago.
The shortage started right after I moved to town.


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Dave on February 11, 2017, 09:35:59 AM
Last year I grabbed a box of 22s at Kittery at a very low price, and Italian or Spanish brand - I didn't pay much attention.  I went to the range with my Nylon 66, loaded a round, pulled the trigger and...nothing.  I checked the gun and the case was there, but empty.  I pulled it out and ran a rod down the barrel but it was clear.  I tried it again, and again nothing but an empty case.  I showed one of the other shooters and he actually read the English section of the box.  Well, the rounds were powderless.
Dah...

http://www.sgammo.com/product/aguila/500-round-brick-22-lr-colibri-powderless-low-noise-ammo-20-grain-bullet-not-semi-auto


Title: Re: Walther P38
Post by: Festus on February 12, 2017, 03:31:36 AM
Watch the "low noise Aquila" sometimes the little bullet gets stuck in the barrel.
I tried to use them to shoot blackbirds and had it happen. I didn't see dirt kick up so I checked and sure enough, it was about 15 or 16" down the barrel. Came out easy with a poke with a cleaning rod.
They are OK in a revolver.