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Umm...what?
« on: March 07, 2018, 02:45:13 PM »
Here is another "no clue" gun...advertised as a "steel frame Spiller and Burr"
Obviously it's a Whitney that some dumbass has Parkerized for reasons only known to themselves...might be a nice gun if you stripped the finish and left white.
Seller says "no signs of being fired"...well, probably not since Parkerized.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/752614405
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Re: Umm...what?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2018, 05:41:33 PM »
Everything seems to be parked except for the TG, even the screws! The parkerizing job is OK but very shallow (looking at the rammer), and I have a recently (2013) parked 1911 that has held up much better.

It has no place on a repro C&B revolver. The finish is totally out of place with the grip and the grip screw and escutcheon.

I have lost interest in GB because many of the sellers have no real clue, and if one tries to gently correct them, one is usually treated like the red-headed bastard step-child.

Found this a few weeks ago. Seller originally called it a Navy Arms 1862 Reb Confederate .36 . I contacted him and told him it was a mismarked pistol and a copy of what we know as a G&G. He changed his description to a G&G.

See photo #5

https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/751822220

It sold for $150, which I think was a fair deal if all the mechanicals are in order.

I have just about given up looking at GB BP pistols because of this.

I feel your pain, Cap'n!

Jim


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Re: Umm...what?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2018, 11:39:22 PM »
Yeah, well at least he knew what a S&B was in the first place...I've seen them selling as a  "brass Whitney" or "brass Remington" more than once. I like the honesty of some of the sellers who claim they know nothing about the gun or what it's worth. It would not surprise me to strip the Park off that thing and find a S&B underneath it....
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Re: Umm...what?
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2018, 04:32:59 PM »
Everything seems to be parked except for the TG, even the screws! The parkerizing job is OK but very shallow (looking at the rammer), and I have a recently (2013) parked 1911 that has held up much better.

It has no place on a repro C&B revolver. The finish is totally out of place with the grip and the grip screw and escutcheon.

I have lost interest in GB because many of the sellers have no real clue, and if one tries to gently correct them, one is usually treated like the red-headed bastard step-child.

Found this a few weeks ago. Seller originally called it a Navy Arms 1862 Reb Confederate .36 . I contacted him and told him it was a mismarked pistol and a copy of what we know as a G&G. He changed his description to a G&G.

See photo #5

https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/751822220

It sold for $150, which I think was a fair deal if all the mechanicals are in order.

I have just about given up looking at GB BP pistols because of this.

I feel your pain, Cap'n!

Jim

It seems to me that recently sellers on GB seem to be really high priced. Have seen a number with "Buy Now" for list or higher price.

Terry
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Re: Umm...what?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2018, 10:06:16 PM »
Terry, back when I first got into collecting BP revolvers on any sort of scale, there was very little (good) info on the internet and you really had to dig for it. Forums such as this have helped that immensely. Nowadays it seems everyone is a "guru" and use that information to try to squeeze more money out of an auction, even though half they time they are only partially correct or completely misinformed.
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2018, 11:36:57 AM »
Terry, back when I first got into collecting BP revolvers on any sort of scale, there was very little (good) info on the internet and you really had to dig for it. Forums such as this have helped that immensely. Nowadays it seems everyone is a "guru" and use that information to try to squeeze more money out of an auction, even though half they time they are only partially correct or completely misinformed.

CaptainKirk, I think you are correct. Very few people really know anything about these fine guns. Dr. Davis always seemed to be the go to guy.

Obviously you are on other more active websites. Would you mind share what a couple are?

Thx,

Terry
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2018, 06:53:08 PM »
Thank you for taking time to write out the addys for these.

I belong to cast boolits.com,muzzleloading forum.com

Will check out the others.

Thanks again

Terry
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2018, 06:56:33 PM »
Thank you for taking time to write out the addys for these.

I belong to cast boolits.com,muzzleloading forum.com

Will check out the others.

Thanks again

Terry

The first two are our sister forums, both of which I am an admin on. You will be most welcomed.
The third is Dr. Davis' website.
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Re: Umm...what?
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2018, 06:59:44 PM »
http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php

http://1858remington.com/discuss/index.php

http://rprca.tripod.com

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php

http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php

http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/fusionbb.php

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/

Just logged onto rpcra.org.  Years ago you could actually join this site as you know. When I tried I was told new members were no long being taken. I was later contacted by Dr. Davis. He was explaining his health issues and wanted to know my interests. We conversed via email for a while then by phone. H tried talking me into taking over the website. I think you know how terrible I am with a computer. There is no way I could have done that.

Last I heard of about Dr. Davis some family member was selling the guns off for penny's on the dollar.  Do you have any updates?

Terry
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2018, 07:03:15 PM »
No, last I heard was last year some time. Jim was reported to be in poor health at that time, and I believe 81 years of age.
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2018, 09:36:14 PM »
No, last I heard was last year some time. Jim was reported to be in poor health at that time, and I believe 81 years of age.

That is unfortunate  as he is a wealth of knowledge. Ageing seems to be one of those things we can escape only by dying.
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2018, 11:00:14 PM »
No, last I heard was last year some time. Jim was reported to be in poor health at that time, and I believe 81 years of age.

That is unfortunate  as he is a wealth of knowledge. Ageing seems to be one of those things we can escape only by dying.
Don't remind me... <|(
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