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Offline ivory

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Please do bear with me as I am new in both this forum and in collecting these. I was recently at an auction and fell in love with this set. I won the auction and after days of researching what I could find both in your forum and online I think I have a basic understanding of what I now own. Subsequently, I think I have also caught the bug and want to grow my collection. But for now I would like to pick your brains and see what you can tell me. I am not having much of any luck finding information about these numbered boxed sets online. I put the photos in a public album on Flickr and will post that link below.

- 7 1/2" octagon barrel.
- Looks like a replica of the Colt 1851.
- The date code XVI shows this is 1960.
- Proof marks on the right side (provisional Gardone proof consisting of a star surrounded by eight lands and grooves over a coat of arms featuring a hammer and anvil and crossed bayoneted rifles, and the star surrounded by eight lands and grooves over the capital letters PN which is the first black powder proof for Gardone and Brescia) along with Made In Italy and the G.U. initials (Gregorelli & Uberti).
- Navy Arms Co on top of the barrel.
- Left side marked Navy Arms Co.
- Bottom of the barrel is marked with the same two proof marks as the right side.
- Underside is marked with 3545, which is also the same numbers marked on the paper, the box, and the tool. The tool is also marked with the numbers 55 just like the cylinder.
- Cylinder has the same proof marks, and the numbers 55 are on the side that faces the hammer.
- Powder flask is marked Navy Arms Co. and Made In Italy, and has "Colts Patent" on the front in the image.
- The caps container is unopened.
- Can't find a serial number. Unless it is the 3545?
- Gun appears unfired.

Here is the album. Hope you can see the photos this way. https://www.flickr.com/photos/80242985@N03/albums/72157692664573182
I also included a photo of the other flask that came with the auction win, and put it next to the flask from the case to show a size comparison.

Thanks in advance for any knowledge you can share.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 10:00:25 PM by ivory »

Offline tljack

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Re: Navy Arms 1960 numbered box set - is anyone familiar with this?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2018, 03:37:37 PM »
First of all, welcome to the forum!!  )=/

Secondly, do not feel like we need t bear with you. We are all learning here. On this forum there is no such thing as a dumb question.

Great pictures and you have provided a lot of great information. Looks like a really nice set! Would love to won it myself.

Most likely the 35457 is the serial number. There reproduction guns were not made in the quantity they are today as there was not a lot of interest at the time.

This gun is a very early one. Because they were not produced in the numbers they are today, and people are finding that collecting Repro C & B revolvers is a good investment it is a nice find.

I am not sure about the Initials G & U. You are most likely correct about the G but if I remember correctly Uberti did not come on the scene for Navy Arms until a few years later. Do not quite me on this.

I am sure someone will chime in on this. I will be anxiously awaiting this info also!

Again welcome and stay active here. The forum on works when we participate!

Terry Jack - Helena MT
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Re: Navy Arms 1960 numbered box set - is anyone familiar with this?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 04:19:52 PM »
Ivory,

Very nice looking G&U! Tjack is correct when he states these pistols (and a cased set to boot!) are sought after by replica collectors. Gregorelli & Uberti guns are early ones, and are not very common.

You seem to be well versed about your set, but there are usually not many visitors to this site. The sister site

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php

seems have more traffic in this area.

In the interest of discussion (and I hope I don't get blackballed here), there are lots of knowledgeable folks here who will talk your ear off:

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?forums/blackpowder.12/

A guy named Fingers McGee has a wealth of knowledge about older replicas, on both this forum and the Colt forum.

I have nothing of knowledge about your set, but good searching to you!

Jim
« Last Edit: April 19, 2018, 04:37:34 PM by sourdough »

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Re: Navy Arms 1960 numbered box set - is anyone familiar with this?
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2018, 12:14:47 AM »
I am not sure about the Initials G & U. You are most likely correct about the G but if I remember correctly Uberti did not come on the scene for Navy Arms until a few years later.

Thank you for the welcome. From what I have been able to find online, Aldo Uberti began making the replica of the Colt 1851 for Val Forgett of Navy arms in late 1959.



Very nice looking G&U! Tjack is correct when he states these pistols (and a cased set to boot!) are sought after by replica collectors. Gregorelli & Uberti guns are early ones, and are not very common.

I agree, it is pretty sweet :)  I will look into the other forums you suggested. Thanks

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Re: Navy Arms 1960 numbered box set - is anyone familiar with this?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2018, 08:49:49 PM »
I am not sure about the Initials G & U. You are most likely correct about the G but if I remember correctly Uberti did not come on the scene for Navy Arms until a few years later.

Thank you for the welcome. From what I have been able to find online, Aldo Uberti began making the replica of the Colt 1851 for Val Forgett of Navy arms in late 1959.



Very nice looking G&U! Tjack is correct when he states these pistols (and a cased set to boot!) are sought after by replica collectors. Gregorelli & Uberti guns are early ones, and are not very common.

It looks like you are absolutely correct. Thanks for sharing this info.

Terry

I agree, it is pretty sweet :)  I will look into the other forums you suggested. Thanks
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