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Percussion Revolvers => Colts => Army Models => Topic started by: Rcampb6131 on January 23, 2016, 04:44:29 PM

Title: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Rcampb6131 on January 23, 2016, 04:44:29 PM
Here are mine:  left to right, an original Colt made in 1862; next is one by Pietta made in 2014; an ASM dated 1994; a nickel plated Army by Pietta with a navy grip; and last an ASM brass frame with a navy grip.  The brass frame, of course, is not historically correct, but it looks great!  Some of the first 1960's did have navy grips.
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Fingers McGee on January 23, 2016, 05:20:00 PM
As in a previous post - I see no pictures.   _?/
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Ringo on January 24, 2016, 12:04:52 PM
Wild bunch !
If I had to make a choice, I'd go for the 1862 first and foremost, and then for the 1994 ASM.  ;)
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: sourdough on January 24, 2016, 09:02:36 PM
As in a previous post - I see no pictures.   _?/

Sorry, Fingers, I have no clue as to your problem, but I get Rcampb6131's attachments with no problem.
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Fingers McGee on January 24, 2016, 11:46:08 PM
And it's only on this forum.  And my pictures come across just fine.   *)-

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/015_zps8d14db82.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Ringo on January 25, 2016, 03:31:07 AM
Fine indeed ! Was there ever anything like a squareback 1861 ? Not that it does not look good, mind you...  8)
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Fingers McGee on January 25, 2016, 01:34:55 PM
Fine indeed ! Was there ever anything like a squareback 1861 ? Not that it does not look good, mind you...  8)

Not as a normal production item; but Col Colt was known to use whatever there was on hand, and you could order just about anything.

This Uberti stainless 1861 was never catalogued and is a one of a kind AFAIK.  Uberti also made at least one bl/cch '61 navy with square back trigger guard.   
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: sourdough on January 25, 2016, 04:33:49 PM
Fine indeed ! Was there ever anything like a squareback 1861 ? Not that it does not look good, mind you...  8)

Not as a normal production item; but Col Colt was known to use whatever there was on hand, and you could order just about anything.

This Uberti stainless 1861 was never catalogued and is a one of a kind AFAIK.  Uberti also made at least one bl/cch '61 navy with square back trigger guard.

Fingers, you must edumacate me. I know very little about 1861's: insofar as the originals are concerned. Would an 1851 Navy 2nd Model Squareback TG fit an 1861 Navy?

Just trying to get food for thought. I like the idea, and looking at your pics, the 1861 squareback guard is shallower than the 1851 Navy above it, as well as the shape/angle of the trigger.

Any comments?

Thanks in advance, sir.

Jim

 
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Fingers McGee on January 25, 2016, 05:31:07 PM
Fingers, you must edumacate me. I know very little about 1861's: insofar as the originals are concerned. Would an 1851 Navy 2nd Model Squareback TG fit an 1861 Navy?
Thanks in advance, sir.

Jim

More than likely.  The 1851, 1860, and 1861 Colts were all based on the same frame; but you gotta remember that the 1861 wasn't made till 10 year after the first 1851s so some dimensional differences were probably present. 

Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Captainkirk on January 25, 2016, 09:42:46 PM
Here is one of a pair of 1860 four-screw model Armi San Paolo's I have...this one I built from a white kit back in the '80's and was my first gun kit build. The second one is currently at Goon's Gun Works getting the once-over (or maybe the twice over!)

(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/Buellosaurusrex/Smokepoles/1860Army-1.jpg)

The third one I had for a brief moment was a Pietta three-screw civilian model, unfired, that I sold within two weeks of buying it...I had an offer I couldn't refuse. I'm still kicking myself.

(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/Buellosaurusrex/S%20and%20G%20Classic%20Firearms/PiettaArmy2.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Ringo on January 26, 2016, 04:58:08 AM
I had two 1860s, which I did not keep, as they don't suit my hands. I feel better holding a 1851 than a 1860.
The first one was an Armi San Paolo from 1975 :
(http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/17/05/26/73/dsc04722.jpg)(http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/17/05/26/73/dsc04721.jpg)
Once I had sold it, I had second thoughts, so I bought another one. A Uberti & Gardone, from 1975 too :
(http://one.nbstatic.fr/uploaded/20150101/2355918/00009_1860-Army-Uberti-Gardone.JPG)(http://one.nbstatic.fr/uploaded/20150101/2355918/00010_1860-Army-Uberti-Gardone.JPG)
I sold that one too for the same reason as the first one, and that was the end of 1860s for me.
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Captainkirk on January 26, 2016, 07:23:57 AM
Ringo, the '51 Navy feels better in my hands too...but I would never sell my Armies. They are a triumph in craftsmanship
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Ringo on January 26, 2016, 07:51:39 AM
Ringo, the '51 Navy feels better in my hands too...but I would never sell my Armies. They are a triumph in craftsmanship
That's probably why, after selling my 1860s, I had to try something else,similar in shape : I have now two 1861s and one 1862 Pocket Police. The 1861s have the same grip and frame as the 1851, which are just the right size for me, but the same barrel and creeping loading lever as the 1860, giving the whole a real graceful silhouette. The 1862 has the same small grips and frame as the 1949, but the trigger guard is larger, large enough to use the trigger comfortably, and it has the same kind of graceful silhouette as the 1861 and 1860. Furthermore, their 36 caliber is my caliber of choice, the same one as the unsurpassable 1851.
(http://www.frostjedi.com/terra/scripts/graemlin.php?text=1851+%21+What+else+%21%3F%21&graemlin=3&url=&size=8&color=000000&mode=convert)
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Long Johns Wolf on March 31, 2016, 10:28:12 AM
How about a pair of factory engraved Centaures?
This style the factory called De Luxe style.
Like their 19th century Colt brothers these factory engraved Belgians have the wolf head on both sides of the hammer.
Long Johns Wolf
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Captainkirk on March 31, 2016, 10:45:12 AM
Gorgeous!
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Long Johns Wolf on April 01, 2016, 02:48:41 AM
Rcampb6131 and campfire: I noted on your pic that the Colt 1860 from 1862 and the plated Pietta have the 3-screw frame with notches in the recoil shield.
To the best of my knowledge 2nd and 3rd gen Colt 1860s were regularly produced with 4-screw frames only.
Among other variants Belgian Centaures were available with 3-screw "round" frames or with the notches in the recoil shield.
My question is this: did any other replica maker replicate 1860 pattern revolvers with 3-screw frames?
Long Johns Wolf
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Captainkirk on April 01, 2016, 09:51:29 AM
Rcampb6131 and campfire: I noted on your pic that the Colt 1860 from 1862 and the plated Pietta have the 3-screw frame with notches in the recoil shield.
To the best of my knowledge 2nd and 3rd gen Colt 1860s were regularly produced with 4-screw frames only.
Among other variants Belgian Centaures were available with 3-screw "round" frames or with the notches in the recoil shield.
My question is this: did any other replica maker replicate 1860 pattern revolvers with 3-screw frames?
Long Johns Wolf
LJW...Yes. Pietta made a 3 screw Army version ("Civilian") several years ago...I had one but sold it (stupid!!!)
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: ozarkguy on April 04, 2016, 09:14:38 AM
Haven't posted in awhile and want to remain a member of the forum.  Thought I'd post my Uberti fluted 1860 Army.  Tried this once and screwed it up.  Trying again.  Have patience with me!
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Long Johns Wolf on April 04, 2016, 10:54:03 AM
Very nice, Ozarkguy.
Which year was she made?
Long Johns Wolf
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Captainkirk on April 04, 2016, 11:53:32 AM
Super-nice! Not many of the full-fluted versions available.
Glad you posted, and hope you'll continue to return!
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: ozarkguy on April 04, 2016, 01:19:36 PM
Thanks guys.  She's stamped CC which I believe is 2008.  She is perty!
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: Captainkirk on April 04, 2016, 02:38:42 PM
Yep. CC is 2008.
Title: Re: Let's see some 1860 Colt Armies
Post by: G Dog on April 27, 2016, 09:25:32 PM
Ozark – that’s a handsome piece.  I have always admired the historically accurate full flute versions and yours is a nice one.

Here are two plain Jane Piettas 1860’s that after dressing the full cock hammer sears and smoothing around a little really shoot and function well.  Not exactly collector items or something real special – except for that they are mine, shoot great and that I love em.  The half or simi-flutting is not historically accurate on a ’60 of course. 

The Micarta grip is a 1997 [BI].  The wood grip is 1996 [BH] 
(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q586/GDog09/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/IMG_5754.jpg) (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/GDog09/media/Posting%20to%20Gun%20Sites/IMG_5754.jpg.html)