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My S&Gs
« on: January 16, 2016, 07:17:58 AM »
Although only few originals were ever made, the Schneider and Glassick replicas may be the most numerous made.
Two of them have ended up in my collection, and hopefully I will get some more in a not too far future.
Both of my S&Gs are GLBs. One is plain and one is engraved.

The plain one is also the first one I got, and the oldest one. It was made in 1968, 47 years ago, but to me it looks as if it were new.

Apart from the proofmarks and the caliber marking, the barrel only bears the "EIG Navy" marking. No "Black Powder only" or "made in Italy".

Either "Italy" and the EIG logo were lightly stamped on the butt or a former owner tried to erase them :

The GLB logo and serial number are stamped under the frame and the rear part of the barrel :


The engraved one joined its elder just before Christmas. It was made in 1969, so it is one year younger than the other one, and only 46 years old. One might believe it's just out of the factory though :

No "EIG Navy" on the top of the barrel this time, neither "black powder only" or anything else than proofmarks and a nice engraving :

... even the loading lever bears an engraving too...

... just as the frame and the cylinder...

... and the shield and the backstrap...

... and the trigger guard too...

... whereas the butt only carries the german importer's mark "Hege".


I must say I really like my GLBs. In fact I like them so much that I would be glad to add to my collection one from each year they have been made, that is from 1963 to 1971. That makes another 7 to track and find.  L@.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2016, 05:56:22 AM by Ringo »

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Re: My S&Gs
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2016, 08:41:36 AM »
Interesting. Your first revolver pictured is identical the first cap and ball revolver I ever bought back in 1969. At the time, I didn't know that I had a Schneider and Glassick replica, I just thought it was a .36 Navy. It was stolen from me back in the mid 1970s.


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Re: My S&Gs
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 08:56:43 AM »
Both look great but I really like the engraved one.

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Re: My S&Gs
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 09:02:47 AM »
Very nice Ringo.  The engraved one is especially nice. notice how thin and curved the trigger is.  None of the past, or current makers us a trigger shaped like that that I have found..
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Re: My S&Gs
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2016, 10:27:56 AM »
Thanks, Gentlemen !
Interesting. Your first revolver pictured is identical the first cap and ball revolver I ever bought back in 1969. At the time, I didn't know that I had a Schneider and Glassick replica, I just thought it was a .36 Navy. It was stolen from me back in the mid 1970s.
Sorry to read that your gun was stolen from you. Hopefully it did not cross the Atlantic to end up in my home...  L@J
At the time when you bought it was not known as a Schneider & Glassick. It was plainly a brass framed 1851, which of course was not correct historically, but was cheaper to make. In fact, it should not be called a S&G at all, as so few original S&G were ever made, and they were not all brassers, but everyone found it more convenient to call them S&Gs than "brass framed 1851 Navy Colts". ::)
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2016, 10:41:12 AM »
Calling them S&G's is a lot more accurate than calling them brass navies.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2016, 01:03:57 PM »
Calling them S&G's is a lot more accurate than calling them brass navies.
I would say yes and no.
Yes, definitely, because there has ever been any such thing as a brass framed Colt.
No, because out of the 3 officially identified surviving Schneider & Glassicks, only 2 have a brass frame and octagon barrel, the other one having an iron frame and a round barrel. For all we know, most S&G may very well have been round barreled and iron framed. After all, as far as we know, only 20 to 50 were ever made.
So, in my point of view, these revolvers are now called Schneider & Glassick more out of shere convenience than of accuracy.  ::)

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2016, 01:22:25 PM »
Calling them S&G's is a lot more accurate than calling them brass navies.
I would say yes and no.
Yes, definitely, because there has ever been any such thing as a brass framed Colt.
No, because out of the 3 officially identified surviving Schneider & Glassicks, only 2 have a brass frame and octagon barrel, the other one having an iron frame and a round barrel. For all we know, most S&G may very well have been round barreled and iron framed. After all, as far as we know, only 20 to 50 were ever made.
So, in my point of view, these revolvers are now called Schneider & Glassick more out of shere convenience than of accuracy.  ::)

Two out of three is a majority. They're S&G's. A lot more historical provenance there than a brass 51. (7&
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Re: My S&Gs
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 01:27:20 PM »
This link has been posted before, but just thought it would be interesting here.

http://rprca.tripod.com/Schneider.html

I have a new one by Pietta created from an 2014 1851 Navy barrel and the balance from a 2015 Griswold & Gunnison.

Jim
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Re: My S&Gs
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2016, 01:43:20 PM »
Two out of three is a majority. (7&
Hard to refute that ! Anyway, they've been called Schneider and Glassick for quite some time now, so Schneider and Glassick they are.  ;)
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Re: My S&Gs
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2016, 01:44:26 PM »
This link has been posted before, but just thought it would be interesting here.

http://rprca.tripod.com/Schneider.html

I have a new one by Pietta created from an 2014 1851 Navy barrel and the balance from a 2015 Griswold & Gunnison.

Jim
By the way, does anyone kow how is Dr Davis doing ? I read somewhere he was not too well.

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Re: My S&Gs
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2016, 01:57:15 PM »
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Sorry to read that your gun was stolen from you. Hopefully it did not cross the Atlantic to end up in my home...  L@J
At the time when you bought it was not known as a Schneider & Glassick. It was plainly a brass framed 1851, which of course was not correct historically, but was cheaper to make. In fact, it should not be called a S&G at all, as so few original S&G were ever made, and they were not all brassers, but everyone found it more convenient to call them S&Gs than "brass framed 1851 Navy Colts". ::)

My daughter lived in France for nearly a year while attending university and I had her look all over the place for my stolen pistol, but she never came across it, so I guess your revolver isn't my old one.  :)

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Re: My S&Gs
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2016, 02:11:20 PM »
This link has been posted before, but just thought it would be interesting here.

http://rprca.tripod.com/Schneider.html

I have a new one by Pietta created from an 2014 1851 Navy barrel and the balance from a 2015 Griswold & Gunnison.

Jim
By the way, does anyone kow how is Dr Davis doing ? I read somewhere he was not too well.

I got a short email from him several months ago. He is 81 and told me his health was deteriorating, but did not go into detail.

Jim

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2016, 04:27:40 PM »
I got a short email from him several months ago. He is 81 and told me his health was deteriorating, but did not go into detail.

Jim

I got an email from Dr. Davis first part of November & and a short note in December.  We just talked guns & the fact that he wasn't as active as he used to be.  I know he's been doing poorly; but we didn't discuss that.

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2016, 05:25:05 PM »
I would say yes and no.
Yes, definitely, because there has ever been any such thing as a brass framed Colt.
No, because out of the 3 officially identified surviving Schneider & Glassicks, only 2 have a brass frame and octagon barrel, the other one having an iron frame and a round barrel. For all we know, most S&G may very well have been round barreled and iron framed. After all, as far as we know, only 20 to 50 were ever made.
So, in my point of view, these revolvers are now called Schneider & Glassick more out of sheer convenience than of accuracy.  ::)

Does anyone have distinct information about the S&G iron frame "anomaly"? I cannot find any info as to who owns it, where it is, et al.

I have read about the iron frame part octagon, part round barrel S&G. My mind wanders to think that it is a very accurate description of a Leech and Rigdon.

http://jamesdjulia.com/item/2115-358/

I would love to have more info and a pic of the iron frame round barrel S&G.

Jim



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