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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2019, 05:21:47 AM »
Hi, when Midway USA has an item on sale it is useful to keep watching it. They start will a low discount and then increase the discount as time goes on without selling to their desired inventory level. They do this for both Uberti revolvers and Howell conversion cylinders. $50 off a conversion cylinders is a good deal IMO.

I already have a gated conversion 1851, but looking to use this new conversion cylinder as a late winter project. I have the Pietta "old silver" 1851 that is now just a safe queen. Doing a conversion on it may prove interesting. I already installed a taller front sight that was sighted in using non gated conversion cylinder. The "old silver":







The only thing I'm concerned about is using a blued gated conversion cylinder in a silver looking 1851. Do you think that a blued conversion cylinder is compatible with a silver gun?

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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2019, 05:33:38 AM »
I'm thinking if I did that, I would probably strip the bluing.
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2019, 07:53:26 AM »
+1 on what the Capt said.
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2019, 08:05:01 AM »
Hi, I kind of agree with you guys, strip the bluing and polish the gated conversion cylinder. This is a photo of the "old silver" with a drop-in conversion cylinder just to see how that combo would look:



My concern on stripping the bluing from the gated conversion cylinder is if the bare steel will age like the revolver "old silver" finish. I will also need to deal with a blued ejector rod.

Rather than screw up the "old silver" 1851, maybe I should just install the gated conversion in a blued Pietta, have some of those.

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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2019, 08:10:23 AM »
It's just my taste but, I never cared for the "two tone" look.

I would say that, the way you take care of your guns, that the cylinder probably won't age much at all. Once you strip and polish it, it will keep it's sheen, because of the loving care you lavish on your guns.

What exactly is the "Old Silver" finish? Is it a coating of some kind? Plating? Or just white metal polished?
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2019, 08:25:25 AM »
Hi Dave, I'm still not sure what "Old Silver" finish is. Pietta told me it's a polished hardened steel finish. From recent replies to my emails from Pietta, I'm not sure anything they tell me is true. This is a thread were we tried to find out what is "Old Silver" finish:

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2679.msg27146.html#msg27146

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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2019, 09:20:50 AM »
Thanks Richard. I read though that whole thread. Seems like there's not much of anything on the metal, since you were able to blue it.

I think it's a safe bet that if you strip and polish the conversion cylinder, it will age at very close to the same rate as the gun itself. If it were mine, I'd be inclined to go for it.
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2019, 09:41:21 AM »
Hi Dave, I guess that I could also nickel plate the cylinder like I did with one of my Walker cylinders:



Original Walker cylinders were "in the white". I suspect they were concerned on doing a negative heat treating if bluing on Walker cylinders that had issues with blowing up.

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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2019, 10:17:07 AM »
Wow, that looks great Richard. I'm sure it probably looks different in person but, that cylinder in your Walker looks like a dead ringer for the finish on your Navy. Nice work on the plating.

Seems you have a few options. Strip the conversion and polish it. If it doesn't look quite right, you could plate it. Either way I think it's going to look good.
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2019, 10:29:55 AM »
Hi Dave, I ordered the Kirst ejector for the Pietta 1851. Instead of screwing around with stripping bluing I have two potential blued Pietta 1851s that can be considered for a gated conversion:



I already have a gated conversion for a Pietta like the upper revolver, christened by Captainkirk Tuco. The bottom 1851 is the square back. The square back looks cool, but feels weird in the hand. Notice the difference in the Pietta grips. I really like the Pietta tail in the upper 1851 because it handles well. Either one will need to have a taller dovetail front sight added.

What would you guys select for a gated conversion?

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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2019, 10:37:08 AM »
Richard, you are the master of gated conversions, so I will enjoy watching you do another one, no matter which gun you choose!

I am not a fan of the square back trigger guard. So I will cast my vote for the upper one.
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2019, 11:05:22 AM »
Richard, the bottom one with the SB trigger guard and more HC grip profile is my choice (that, and just to be the polar opposite of Shotgun Dave)
Looks like we're tied. C'mon, fellers, get your vote in!
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2019, 04:34:57 AM »
Hi, based on the overwhelming response to the conversion poll, we have a tie.   ;) ;)

Therefore, the Pietta 1851 revolver to be used for the Howell gated conversion cylinder will be "Old Silver".

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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2019, 08:22:21 AM »
Hi, the "Old Silver" frame has been drilled and tapped to mount the Howell gated conversion cylinder. It was also drilled to install the Ruger hand spring mod. Gouging out the loading port comes next. If anyone is interested Howell has the drilling and tapping jig on sale for $35:

https://www.howellarms.com/parts/drill-fixture-for-gated-conversion-kit

I kind of kick myself for ordering a new Kirst ejector for this project since I found a spare Pietta 1851 Kirst ejector in my spare parts box.

These conversion projects are always fun.

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