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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2019, 09:37:32 AM »
Hi, the 38 Colt/38 Special conversion to the Pietta "Old Silver" 1851 is done:

The cylinder was shortened ~0.005", the barrel/cylinder gap is now 0.0015". While I did the Ruger hand spring mod, the hand needed to be shortened ~0.010" to have the revolver cycle properly.

I kind of like the two-tone of silver and blue. Do you?

In the future if I get tired of the two-tone look, I could either strip the bluing, or nitre blue the whole revolver. Niter bluing produces a very handsome finish, like charcoal bluing:

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2724.msg27590.html#msg27590

As soon as the weather breaks, this revolver gets a thorough work out. My steel targets are already shaking.

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Richard
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2019, 10:39:45 AM »
I initially stated that I don't like two tone revolvers. But I gotta say, that looks pretty darn nice. And like you say, you can always go a different route later if you tire of this look.

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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2019, 05:52:54 PM »
Hi, the 38 Colt/38 Special conversion to the Pietta "Old Silver" 1851 is done:




I kind of like the two-tone of silver and blue. Do you?

In the future if I get tired of the two-tone look, I could either strip the bluing, or nitre blue the whole revolver. Niter bluing produces a very handsome finish, like charcoal bluing:

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2724.msg27590.html#msg27590

As soon as the weather breaks, this revolver gets a through work out. My steel targets are already shaking.

Regards,
Richard
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2019, 05:54:40 PM »
Hi, the 38 Colt/38 Special conversion to the Pietta "Old Silver" 1851 is done:



I kind of like the two-tone of silver and blue. Do you?

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2724.msg27590.html#msg27590
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2019, 01:31:47 PM »
Hi, fitting a Kirst ejector can be a royal PITA. Many times the main mounting hole doesn't line up. The other issues are that it is difficult to get the ejector parallel to the bore and having it stay put. Assuming you can get the ejector mounted, a solution to the other problem of keeping the ejector parallel and having it stay put is to put a couple of push/push set screws into the ejector. This photo shows the ejector with 6-32 push/push screws, 3/16" long forward, 3/8" aft:



The Kirst instructions suggests using shims. IMO that's a terrible solution that makes rigidity and disassembly for cleaning difficult.

Howell instructions says that mounting the gated conversion cylinder requires that the hammer face be shortened and the hammer safety slot filled in with JB Weld. That has been done. Tomorrow the gated conversion cylinder should arrive. A couple more days and the "Old Silver" will be ready to shoot.

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Hi, I sent Walt Kirst the link to this message. The intent is to offer an easy solution to fitting the Kirst ejector to the 1851 that will benefit all. I received this reply from Walt Kirst:

"Richard,
Thank you for a solution to loose ejectors. I'm going to experiment and likely add set screws to our design.
Thank You,
Walt Kirst"

Sounds good.

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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2019, 01:38:56 PM »
Wow, a manufacturer that listens. That's pretty awesome Richard.
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2019, 08:25:00 AM »
Real nice looking setup.

I think I'd be tempted to try a blued screw set in the frame of the gun to give it some contrasting colors.

Then I'd be tempted to blue the trigger and hammer to match the cylinder.

Lastly I'd get the barrel lined so I don't need to mess with healed or hollow base bullets.
This fella has a good price on barrel lining.
http://www.cartridgeconversion.com/SERVICES.php
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2019, 10:38:55 AM »
Hi drobs, using blued screws, hammer, and trigger sound interesting. The guy that does the barrel relining is Hoof Hearted who occasionally posts to the Remington message board. He helps Walt Kirst do development on the Kirst conversion cylinders. I won't do the relining because I want to keep the revolver as stock as possible so that it could be easily returned to C&B use. I find that hollow based bullets are accurate enough for casual shooting. I also have a stock of evil to reload heeled 38 Colt cartridges loaded if I ever need precision accuracy.

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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2019, 10:53:23 PM »
Richard, absolutely ... the two tone ROCKS! Always liked that look.
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2019, 06:00:43 AM »
Hi, the weather is cooperating and I finally got to shoot my Old Silver 1851 38 Colt/38 Special gated conversion today. Used 148gr Speer hollow based wadcutter bullets with 2.7gr TrailBoss powder. Fired 50rds without a single issue. The more you do the conversions, the better you get doing them.

I got nice 2-3" groups from 25yds two handed. The revolver had already been sighted in using a Taylor 38 Colt/ 38 Special conversion cylinder, non gated. The groups are ~1" low so a little more filing down of the front sight is in order.

I'm still wondering on how this Old Silver finish will age. So far the finish looks just like it it originally did when came out of the box.

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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2019, 09:59:00 AM »
Richard, I have been curious as to the measurements of the 51/61 in comparison to the Uberti 1872 38 spcl revolver. Seems like the price of a 72 is going to be better than doing the conversion. BUT ... I would NOT want to deviate from the heft and configuration of the 51/61 style revolvers.

The very size and general feel of the 51 Colt is what I desire to maintain. My Taylor conversion in a Peitta 51 is spot on. Very comfy and remains standard 51 feel and heft. Having to remove the barrel/ cylinder every loading is a bit of a bother but with hollow based wadcutters, man it shoots.
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2019, 10:33:35 AM »
Sorry I missed the update. I'm glad you finally got to shoot it. Sounds like it has good potential for accuracy.
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2019, 09:23:16 AM »
Hi, the 38 Colt/38 Special conversion to the Pietta "Old Silver" 1851 is done:

The cylinder was shortened ~0.005", the barrel/cylinder gap is now 0.0015". While I did the Ruger hand spring mod, the hand needed to be shortened ~0.010" to have the revolver cycle properly.

I kind of like the two-tone of silver and blue. Do you?

In the future if I get tired of the two-tone look, I could either strip the bluing, or nitre blue the whole revolver. Niter bluing produces a very handsome finish, like charcoal bluing:

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2724.msg27590.html#msg27590

As soon as the weather breaks, this revolver gets a thorough work out. My steel targets are already shaking.

Regards,
Richard

Hi, I have a Howell conversion cylinder conversion on a Pietta Old Silver finish 1851, see photo.

Since doing a nitre finish job on a Pietta brass framed 1851 barrel and cylinder, I have wondered if the Old South finish would take nitre bluing. I tested a small area of the Old Silver finish before using cold blue. The Old Silver finish cold blues.

A test of the ability to nitre blue the Old Silver finish would be to see if the original Old Silver C&B cylinder could be nitre blued.

If that works, I may then remove the Pietta markings on both side of the barrel, polish, and then nitre blue both the frame, barrel, backstrap, and trigger guard. The Kirst ejector shell could also be nitre blued. It would be nice to nitre blue the Howell conversion cylinder, but I am concerned about affecting the heat treatment of the cylinder steel and weaken it.

A niter blued 1851 conversion would look cool IMO.

Regards,
Richard
« Last Edit: September 24, 2019, 09:25:11 AM by ssb73q »
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2019, 10:10:08 AM »
I fully support this proposal. I think it will look fantastic.
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Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2019, 10:31:09 AM »
I fully support this proposal. I think it will look fantastic.

It's hard to conceive a nitre bluing job NOT looking fantastic.
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