1858banner

Author Topic: Paper cartridge V metal cartridges  (Read 532 times)

Offline bigted

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 427
  • when all is said ... more will be said then done.
    • View Profile
Re: Paper cartridge V metal cartridges
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2020, 09:32:18 AM »
Well using my Lyman 311 nut cracker and without cleaning the brass.

I ran 10 through the process, timing each process individually and then added them up for 10, then multiplying times 5 for 50 loads.

Kinda surprised after adding everything together. I did not add the 311 setup between stages either.

Decapping
Sizing
Flairing
Priming
Powdering
Seat and crimp bullet

These operations ran 54 minutes for the 50 loads.

Busy busy so may have to wait for timing the paper cartridges.

No I agree with the sentiment of shooting sports not being any kinda timed event. I also do my hobby for relaxing and escape from normal life. My idle curiosity is only that ... idle curiosity. I have heard ... as many of us have ... [I just dont have time for cap-n-ball revolvers] and just have always wanted to have a time table comparison to answer this reply.

More news later. This is a fun endeavor. Hope others are having as much fun with this one as I am   
BIGTED

Offline Miguel Loco

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 381
    • View Profile
Re: Paper cartridge V metal cartridges
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2020, 09:40:26 PM »
Maybe I'm just lucky here in Arizona, but I just used up some paper cartridges yesterday that had been on my shelf over 2 years. The Dance fired them all perfectly......
"a dios rogando y con el mazo dando...y un buen cigarro"
-Mick

Offline bigted

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 427
  • when all is said ... more will be said then done.
    • View Profile
Re: Paper cartridge V metal cartridges
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2020, 08:58:46 AM »
I live in western Oregon where we get much rain and humidity. I have also had paper cartridges made of cig paper and the ball end dipped in my wax/vasoline mix melted. None of my Ol E 2 or 3 F cartridges have failed me after setting in my shed for well over a year.

If there is just the barest care taken with them, they should go the distance.
BIGTED

Offline Miguel Loco

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 381
    • View Profile
Re: Paper cartridge V metal cartridges
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2020, 09:43:04 AM »
I live in western Oregon where we get much rain and humidity. I have also had paper cartridges made of cig paper and the ball end dipped in my wax/vasoline mix melted. None of my Ol E 2 or 3 F cartridges have failed me after setting in my shed for well over a year.

If there is just the barest care taken with them, they should go the distance.

That's been my experience as well. I use curling iron papers and nothing to seal them. Just roll 'em and go. But we are just a tad bit drier here most of the time....except our Monsoon season which is usully less than 3 months.
"a dios rogando y con el mazo dando...y un buen cigarro"
-Mick

Offline mazo kid

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2879
  • Newbie
    • View Profile
Re: Paper cartridge V metal cartridges
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2020, 05:56:36 PM »
I haven't had time to do any paper or brass cartridge loading lately. But, another question...in your "competition" are you counting time to cut the paper cartridges? I use the curling end papers and if I don't cut them to size, they have excess paper. I made a template to cut them to size. Kind of like the clean brass cases, maybe start with the cut-to-size papers? That would seem to make sense.

Offline bigted

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 427
  • when all is said ... more will be said then done.
    • View Profile
Re: Paper cartridge V metal cartridges
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2020, 06:16:52 PM »
I haven't had time to do any paper or brass cartridge loading lately. But, another question...in your "competition" are you counting time to cut the paper cartridges? I use the curling end papers and if I don't cut them to size, they have excess paper. I made a template to cut them to size. Kind of like the clean brass cases, maybe start with the cut-to-size papers? That would seem to make sense.

The way I roll my cartridges is easy peasy and really NOT the traditional cut n paste style from yesteryear.

My procedure uses a tapered former where I roll cig papers around my former and lick the gummed edge to seal it around the forming stick. Then the small tail on the bottom gets a slurp to glue over the end of the tapered stick ... this produces my cartridge lickety split 🙄. Now I powder them followed by dropping the ball on the powder. Now I twist the paper over the ball to seal it in the cartridge. Next I trim the twisted paper off close to the ball ... followed by dunking the ball end in melted lube. After hardening, the now lubed cartridge is ready to load n shoot.

I will get my bunn's in gear and time my procedure for rolling my cartridges using Zig Zag cig papers.

After this I intend to compare smokless against BlackPowder loads in the open top cartridge revolvers and 1873 SAA.
BIGTED

Offline bigted

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 427
  • when all is said ... more will be said then done.
    • View Profile
Re: Paper cartridge V metal cartridges
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2020, 03:16:35 PM »
Not forgotten. Just got busy busy with this opening and the economy letting lose a bit. Making hay while the sun shines so to speak.

What a STRANGE freakin year !!!  >:( (K| L@J
BIGTED