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Title: My flasks!
Post by: Captainkirk on August 21, 2013, 08:29:31 PM
I have two flasks at present; the first one I purchased along with my first BP revolver (Remington) but in reality, it's a rifle flask. It's served me well all these years, switching hats between Pyrodex P an RS depending on whether or not I was shooting a revolver or my 'extended travel front-stuffer'.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3802/9568316534_9093f6f5fa.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/85698881@N08/9568316534/)
IMAG0488 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/85698881@N08/9568316534/) by buellosaurusrex (http://www.flickr.com/people/85698881@N08/), on Flickr

Fortunately, on one of my more recent gun buys, the guy threw in a real, honest-to-gosh pistol flask, so now I no longer have to look like a rube at the range!

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3769/9565527731_04b2083e48.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/85698881@N08/9565527731/)
IMAG0489 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/85698881@N08/9565527731/) by buellosaurusrex (http://www.flickr.com/people/85698881@N08/), on Flickr
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: mazo kid on August 26, 2013, 01:49:46 PM
I started collecting old flasks many years ago and have some pretty nice old ones!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Powderflasks3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Powderflasks3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: mazo kid on August 26, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/mazokid/Powderflasks2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/mazokid/media/Powderflasks2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Captainkirk on August 26, 2013, 06:52:31 PM
Holy Cow! There's a mess of 'em, that's for sure!
Any Navy Arms flasks? I've heard they are becoming collectible.
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: mazo kid on August 30, 2013, 08:50:00 AM
I do have some repro flasks I use when shooting my guns. I will have to check...are they marked Navy Arms?
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Captainkirk on September 21, 2013, 10:36:43 PM
No. In fact, there is no identifying mark I can see that sets them apart from other flasks. But the price of them on GunBroker keeps climbing compared to similar flasks.
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Ringo on February 21, 2016, 10:31:14 AM
I'd like to show you a few flasks too, which I have chosen for their looks rather than for the use I may have of them. Furthermore, they are designed to go with either hunting rifles or pistols, whereas I collect Navy and Pocket caliber revolvers.

The first one bears a bee trademark, identifying it as a french flask made by the Abeille company between 1832 and 1899 :
(http://i73.servimg.com/u/f73/17/05/26/73/abeill10.jpg)(http://i73.servimg.com/u/f73/17/05/26/73/abeill12.jpg)(http://i73.servimg.com/u/f73/17/05/26/73/abeill13.jpg)
The spout has four graduations from 35 to 50 gr. It is almost 7" long overall.

The second one is leather covered. It does not bear any mark, so I can't tell whether it is french or british or whatever :
(http://i73.servimg.com/u/f73/17/05/26/73/cuir_210.jpg)(http://i73.servimg.com/u/f73/17/05/26/73/cuir_610.jpg)
The spout bears four graduations from 60 to 80 gr. It is a little more than 6" long, from the lanyard ring to the end of the spout.

The third one is another french one, made by Boche probably during the first half of the 19th century, as shown by the "B A PARIS" marking near the collar. The spour bears four graduations again, from 50 to 65gr. It is shorter than the first two, at a little less than 6".
(http://i73.servimg.com/u/f73/17/05/26/73/boche_10.jpg)(http://i73.servimg.com/u/f73/17/05/26/73/boche_13.jpg)

And here is that last one :
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/17/05/26/73/poire_10.jpg)
It does not bear any marking, so it could come from anywhere, but I guess it is french too. The body is zinc. The spout only has three graduations, from 25 to 35gr. It is 5,5" long.

Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: mazo kid on February 21, 2016, 01:23:46 PM
Those are some nice flasks; thanks for sharing.  I think the English and American flasks are probably more common, and the French ones seem to bring a lot of money. BUT....they ARE all becoming higher priced.
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: sltm1 on February 21, 2016, 02:13:25 PM
This is the only antique flask I have, it's a Dixon & Sons
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Ringo on February 21, 2016, 04:37:23 PM
Speaking of Dixon, I almost forgot that small one :
(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/17/05/26/73/dsc04014.jpg)
It is not a Dixon but a Hawksley, so it is still british. I did not think of it at first because it does not mingle with the others. It is safe in a case with its derringer mate :
(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/17/05/26/73/dsc04016.jpg)
The case is the first one I ever did myself, so it is a bit rough. I keep saying I will rearrange it sometime, and I will... eventually...
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Captainkirk on February 21, 2016, 04:57:45 PM
Very nice, Ringo! And unusual as well, from an American point of view.
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Ringo on February 21, 2016, 05:14:34 PM
Very nice, Ringo! And unusual as well, from an American point of view.
Thanks, Captain ! I don't really collect these flasks. Whenever I stumble on one that gets my eyes and is fairly priced (both points don't come together very often, sadly), I will try and bid. Sometimes I'm lucky, and sometimes I'm not, and that is also part of the fun, just like gambling in a casino.
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Major on February 21, 2016, 06:12:30 PM
Speaking of Dixon, I almost forgot that small one :
(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/17/05/26/73/dsc04014.jpg)
It is not a Dixon but a Hawksley, so it is still british. I did not think of it at first because it does not mingle with the others. It is safe in a case with its derringer mate :


I too have one of these ... I was told it is still made by the original company....
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Ringo on February 22, 2016, 02:19:54 AM
I too have one of these ... I was told it is still made by the original company....
In fact Hawksley were bought out by Dixon in 1947. They lasted more than a century, having been founded by George and John William in 1840. Dixon themselves ended their business in 1992. They did make and sell powder flasks up to the end. For more about Dixon and sons, check http://www.pewterbank.com/More_Marks_and_History_of_James_Dixons..21.pdf
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Major on February 22, 2016, 04:41:12 AM
Thanks for the link.... I have saved it to read later....having to get ready for the work day today  ^j)
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Hewy on February 22, 2016, 01:50:00 PM
Only have one, a large Remington type showing a cannon with flags
and a pair og crossed rifles at top.
I want to get a pistol size that may have been used by the Confederate
Army.
What size (number of onces) would be appropriate to go with Griss & Gunnison ?
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Bishop Creek on February 22, 2016, 04:37:10 PM
I too have one of these ... I was told it is still made by the original company....
In fact Hawksley were bought out by Dixon in 1947. They lasted more than a century, having been founded by George and John William in 1840. Dixon themselves ended their business in 1992. They did make and sell powder flasks up to the end. For more about Dixon and sons, check http://www.pewterbank.com/More_Marks_and_History_of_James_Dixons..21.pdf

Thanks for the info on Dixon flasks Ringo. I bought this one a number of years ago. Think it was made in the 1960s or '70s.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/357ons4.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/4rvwxe.jpg)
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Ringo on February 23, 2016, 01:27:45 AM
Only have one, a large Remington type showing a cannon with flags and a pair og crossed rifles at top.
Sorry to contradict you, Hewy, but the flask you describe is typically the Colt type. The Remington is the one with the stretched out dog.
I want to get a pistol size that may have been used by the Confederate Army.
What size (number of onces) would be appropriate to go with Griss & Gunnison ?
The G&G being of Navy caliber, the flask to go with it would be the same as with the 1851 Navy after which it is modelled. The one you have should be perfect then.
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Hewy on February 23, 2016, 10:46:41 AM
Ringo, no need to be sorry, after I wrote the first post I found out
the flask is a Colt Patent. One of the main reasons I ask , is to learn.
One other question however is the size. The one I have is about 6"x3"
excluding the spout. Don't know the ounces.
I have a feeling it is bigger than needed for a pistol ?
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Ringo on February 23, 2016, 11:22:00 AM
One other question however is the size. The one I have is about 6"x3" excluding the spout. Don't know the ounces.
I have a feeling it is bigger than needed for a pistol ?
It may seem big, but it is in fact the standard size for the 1851 Navy Colt revolvers :
(http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/1912728/10864653/1.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg)
Mind you, Colt used the same type and size of flask for his Army revolvers. The only difference was the size of the spout.
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Ringo on February 23, 2016, 11:38:45 AM
While we're at it, here is an excerpt from an excellent book that was on my Christmas list "a guide to the proper accoutrements for Hartford produced percussion Colt revolvers" by Fred Sweeney :
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/17/05/26/73/sans_t10.jpg)
This should answer your question about Colt's revolvers.
Now, regarding Confederate revolvers, I guess they used whichever flask they could get, Colt's included. AFAIK, no Confederate revolver from the Civil War times was ever factory cased, so the type of powder flask that will go is just up to the revolver owner's fantasy.
Title: Re: My flasks!
Post by: Hewy on February 24, 2016, 07:10:58 AM
That is exactly the one I have. In fact I am in the process of making a presentation
case fot my 1851 Navy .36
I suspected the South armement issue, would have been "bring what ever you can get "
Thanks for the detailed information.