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Title: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 20, 2019, 09:59:04 AM
Hi, while waiting until I can complete a purchase of a Pietta LeMat, I have been doing some research. This is one of the best videos I have seen on dissembling and timing on a LeMat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8yCFnPIlVg

I look forward to the day when I have it in my hands. It may be one of the more interesting BP revolvers that was ever designed.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ShotgunDave on January 20, 2019, 02:43:37 PM
Congratulations Richard! I look forward to your report on it.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Hawg on January 20, 2019, 05:28:12 PM
Cool Beans!!! :-*
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 21, 2019, 04:48:45 AM
Hi, this is an interesting video on defarbing the LeMat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71kEBFbmGqw

These are the people that do that work for $250:

http://www.lodgewood.com/LeMat-Revolver_c_295.html

The idea is interesting in that they also include tuning, but I'm not sure I like the old look of defarb. Do you?

BTW, while waiting for the LeMat I ordered this LeMat book to fill the time:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931464200/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Captainkirk on January 21, 2019, 06:20:53 AM
If anyone deserves a LeMat, it's you! (7&
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Hawg on January 21, 2019, 06:34:07 AM
I really like the defarbed and aged look but I would be hard pressed to do it to a nice finish.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: sourdough on January 21, 2019, 01:39:17 PM
Richard,

I think that is a superb project! I viewed all 3 links you provided and, honestly, the first one was the most informative.

Insofar as the tuning, the first vid explains it very well. The guy goes step through step with disassembly, troubleshooting, takes his time, and comes up with a good solution even though this is the first LeMat he has seen, and then reassembles it to working condition. I give the guy 6 stars out of 5 for his presentation.

I like Mike Belliveau's videos but they do not explain much. The Lodgewood ad shows what they can do to defarb a gun, and that is all.

I collect Pietta 1851 Navy .36 type guns and would very much like to have a Pietta LeMat but the price is way out of my range, sir.

I wish you well with your project and am looking forward to pictures, PICTURES!

Regards,

Jim
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 22, 2019, 05:09:10 AM
Hi Jim, after seeing disassembly instructions for the LeMat in the book "Antique Firearms Assembly/Disassembly" by David Chicoine, that linked video is somewhat wrong. The video guy tries to remove the hammer screw without removing the side plate nut first. That nut needs a type of screwdriver head somewhat like a spanner, I ordered this spanner set:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017AG6Q3G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
If the owner of a LeMat expects to completely take down the LeMat for a through internal cleaning, they need to buy or make that screwdriver head. It turns out that the hammer screw doesn't need to be removed from the right side of the frame to get to the internals. Some of these early designed BP revolvers like the Paterson and LeMat makes me so grateful for the simplicity of the Colt 1851 and 1860.

I ordered a Lee 20ga round ball mold so I can make balls for the LeMat grapeshot barrel. The LeMat's short barrel is pretty ineffective for shot use over ten feet, but a single round ball should allow some effect at longer ranges.

All the reviews and LeMat instructions I have found suggest that tight fitting caps are a must to avoid chainfires. Remington 10 on the .44 chambers and CCI 10 on the grapeshot barrel. Mike has an excellent write up on a chainfire with the LeMat:
http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2696.msg27279.html#msg27279

I'm beginning to make a list of possible spare parts that I should have on hand, springs being a priority. Almost all the reviews of the LeMat that I have seen complain about the LeMat loading lever, much less leverage than a Colt or Remington. The loading lever usually breaks. I will load the LeMat using either the Tower of Power loading tool or an arbor press off the revolver. I would love to have a few extra LeMat cylinders, but they cost too much, $170 each.

I am looking forward to shooting the Glock of the 19th century, the LeMat.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Captainkirk on January 22, 2019, 09:11:01 AM
I read the same about the loading lever, Richard.
Since you seem to be quite handy with tools, I might suggest possibly making a "stuntman" loading lever from stainless to use on the gun and keep the original where it can't be damaged, or use a Tower of Power press to load off the gun. Not sure how easily that cylinder comes off, and you certainly don't want to buy any spares ($$$$).
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 23, 2019, 08:53:51 AM
Hi Kirk, the barrel comes off the revolver very easily simply by dropping a lever and unscrewing the barrel. When I get the LeMat I will remove all the loading lever hardware, store that hardware, and shoot the LeMat by loading the cylinder off the revolver. I'll keep my eyes open for used LeMat extra cylinders.

I ordered an extra set of delicate parts that may fail in the future and new screws so I can keep the LeMat pristine. The first thing I will do is to tear down the LeMat and inspect the internals. The LeMat is coming from a fellow member that takes excellent care of his firearms so I don't expect any issues. The internals will then be stoned and tuned to have the LeMat working like an expensive swiss watch.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 26, 2019, 09:34:45 AM
Hi, an interesting write up on the LeMat revolver:

http://americansocietyofarmscollectors.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Confederate-LeMat-Revolver-Edmunds-v100.pdf

Notice all the references to LeMat's missing the loading lever.

My LeMat is due to arrive today, I'm juiced.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ShotgunDave on January 26, 2019, 06:41:42 PM
Did it come today Richard?

Dying to to see it! (*3
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 27, 2019, 05:12:50 AM
Hi Dave, yes, the LeMat arrived yesterday. I am very impressed with this revolver. Based on internet reviews I expected a revolver that was difficult to operate, especially thumbing the hammer. This 18yr old used LeMat was exceptionally smooth to operate and timing is perfect. I had expected to do a lot of internal polishing, but since the action is so smooth, that may not be necessary. I took some quick photos to show. They are not the greatest, but will revisit photos when lighting conditions are better. My LeMat:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7808/46893022991_c616848ec2_b.jpg)

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4861/45978388535_3691a27569_b.jpg)

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4808/45978388285_5c0cc82b19_b.jpg)


Some Pietta LeMat parts on hand if ever needed:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4848/46893022841_790dfe422c_b.jpg)

I'm now going to tear down the LeMat to inspect the internals.

I'm a really happy camper!

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 27, 2019, 07:58:09 AM
Hi, the LeMat was torn down for internal inspection. Grease was used in the revolver that was removed with a toothbrush and paint thinner. I don't use grease in my BP revolver internals, just Ballistol. Grease tends to goop up with BP fouling that is a pita to remove when cleaning. Ballistol lets me just rinse the parts in hot soapy water, much easier than when grease is use. The hammer nose spring on the hammer was weak and replaced. Inspection of the bolt showed that the front of it was bent, see left area in the photo:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4893/31953224087_3e22e8e663_b.jpg)

I didn't use a range rod, but concern for cylinder to bore alignment had me proactively replaced the bolt. The original bolt could have been bent back if I didn't have a replacement.

Timing of bolt drop on hammer pull back is super easy. There is a tiny screw next to the hammer screw that regulates bolt timing. This arrangement for bolt adjustment is much slicker than with Colt's or Remington's.

The last issue I will address is that it takes a lot of hand pressure to start barrel removal. The same for screwing the barrel home. Since I will load the cylinder off the gun, I want to lighten the force required. I need to be careful since changing the mating surfaces may affect barrel/cylinder gap, but a little light surface stoning may do the trick.

The loading lever has been removed and will be stored. Loading the cylinder off the revolver has no use for the loading lever.

Too bad the temperature outside is 5-degrees F with blowing snow. I can't wait to shoot my LeMat.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ShotgunDave on January 27, 2019, 09:36:19 AM
Oh boy Richard! She's a beauty! Thank you for showing us.

Bummer about the weather. I am very impatient and would have a hard time not being able to load it up and fire it. Looking forward to better weather so we can enjoy your range report.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 27, 2019, 09:49:18 AM
Hi Dave, I am very happy to share my experience with the LeMat. Maybe it will help other LeMat owners. I measured the cylinder and 20gr barrel dimensions. I have seen many different references to the diameter of the shotgun barrel, but now know.

Cylinder chambers = 0.4465"
Shotgun barrel = 0.644"

That 0.595" Lee mold should work well for a solid ball with thick patch for the shotgun barrel. In case I need some other wadding, I ordered Tow:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Flax-tow-fiber-1-2-pound/233060362072?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

The LeMat is sure a handful, but balances nicely. One more thing I will need to do is deepen and widen the rear hammer sight for my old eyes.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ShotgunDave on January 27, 2019, 09:54:04 AM
I'll be interested to see how the shotgun barrel does with just one ball. I don't think I've ever see anyone shoot one that way. Seems everyone uses around nine .32 caliber balls. Look forward to the report.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 28, 2019, 09:10:42 AM
Hi, antiseize compound was put on all the LeMat nipple threads. The mating surfaces of the revolver lock up were fine filed and stoned to have a good firm hand fit. The cylinder/barrel gap is now 0.004". The hammer nose sight was dremel deepened and widened to present a good sight picture. Any part of the revolver that was stoned or had some white wear was cold blued. The LeMat is now ready for shooting. I can't wait for spring to have my steel targets singing again.

Back when my LeMat was new it sold for ~$450, now new LeMats are priced out of sight. If you ever come across a reasonably priced used LeMat, snap it up. The LeMat makes for a very fine addition to any BP replica collection.

My new wish now is for a reasonably priced Starr.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Hawg on January 28, 2019, 05:28:44 PM
Nice looking, ya done good! :-*
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 30, 2019, 04:39:31 AM
Hi, some musings on the LeMat cylinder lockup. The following photos show the back of the cylinder and LeMat bolt:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4900/46202206404_1b4524f13f_b.jpg)


(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4893/31953224087_3e22e8e663_b.jpg)

Notice the nine holes between the nipples, ~1/8" deep. The end of the bolt has a radius, the bolt diameter near the end of the bolt is 0.086". To determine the cylinder hole diameters I tried to insert different drills. A 0.086" would go into the holes, but a 0.088" drill would not enter the holes. This had me guess that the cylinder bolt holes are ~0.087".

Since the bolt diameter is smaller than the cylinder bolt holes, the bolt can completely enter the holes. The end of the bolt is radiused, the bolt fits like a pin in a socket. This is a very slick method of lockup, but has an issue. When the bolt drops, if it isn't perfectly aligned with the cylinder hole, it lightly peens the cylinder hole edge. This peened edge begins to narrow the cylinder holes. To again open the holes to the original size a reamer of 0.087" was purchased. The cylinder holes were then hand reamed. Based on how the reamer feels in the hole, I suspect that the actual hole diameter is closer to 0.0875". Is 0.0005" worth another $25 for the last 0.0005"? Probably not.

Since I now have a reamer, the holes will be optimized when the hole edges show peening. There seems to be a lot of latitude when adjusting when the bolt drops on hammer pull. Adjusting the small timing screw to have the bolt fall just as the cylinder bolt hole is aligned with the bolt will minimize peening since more of the hole edge takes the force of the bolt dropping. However, if performance timing is required (fast draw, etc.) the bolt should drop early accepting the added peening wear.

This is an example of trying to learn the engineering designed into our BP revolvers. I encourage others to also understand their revolver internal workings.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Yolla Bolly Brad on January 30, 2019, 11:52:48 AM
Hi Richard,
    A little chamfer on those holes will help keep them from being peened over and assist the bolt getting started into them when the action is cycled rapidly.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 30, 2019, 07:44:11 PM
Hi Brad, that's a good suggestion, thank you.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ShotgunDave on January 30, 2019, 09:05:56 PM
I learn things everyday here. You guys are awesome.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on January 31, 2019, 05:33:21 AM
Hi Richard,
    A little chamfer on those holes will help keep them from being peened over and assist the bolt getting started into them when the action is cycled rapidly.

Hi Brad, while not wanting to remove much metal, a chamfer is a good idea. A narrow tool that will miss the cylinder ratchets was found here:

https://www.mcmaster.com/27885a41

I ordered that countersink and also the 0.0875" reamer. Buying new tools is never a bad thing?  &\? &\?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Yolla Bolly Brad on January 31, 2019, 01:19:08 PM
Hi Richard,
    A little chamfer on those holes will help keep them from being peened over and assist the bolt getting started into them when the action is cycled rapidly.

Hi Brad, while not wanting to remove much metal, a chamfer is a good idea. A narrow tool that will miss the cylinder ratchets was found here:

https://www.mcmaster.com/27885a41

I ordered that countersink and also the 0.0875" reamer. Buying new tools is never a bad thing?  &\? &\?

Regards,
Richard
Richard,
           I love the McMaster company. They don't sell any junk and they ship FAST! I keep a copy of their catalog in my night stand like it was the bible ( just joking). It can be hard to get a current paper catalog but they can be found on Ebay.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on February 01, 2019, 04:14:46 AM
Hi, I have seen parts drawings and references to where the shotgun barrel of the LeMat can be removed. The Bates book even talks about the shotgun barrel coming off the breach plug that is on the LeMat frame. As hard as I tried to remove the shotgun barrel by hand, it wouldn't give. The oil on the shotgun barrel was then degreased on the outside and the barrel put in a large soft jaw vise. Still, that 18yr old fouled in threads barrel wouldn't move. Kroil was then put on the thread area and allowed to sit a half hour. The Kroil did the trick, the barrel unscrewed.

Having the shotgun barrel easily removable simplifies cleaning that barrel after firing. It is also easy to get into the breach plug for cleaning.

Saw a reference where US Government tests reported that the LeMat was an improvement on the Colts.

Watched the movie Forsaken last night. There was a major role for the LeMat at the end of that movie. It was a hoot seeing a bad guy shot with the LeMat shotgun. The LeMat revolver also took some bad guys with ball.

The more I fondle the LeMat, the more I like it, it may now be my favorite BP revolver. However, it seems that my newest revolver is always best loved. Time will tell on what favored position the LeMat finally holds in my replica collection.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on February 01, 2019, 01:30:10 PM
Hi Brad, the McMaster countersink arrived today. Just a couple of seconds per hole with light finger pressure nicely broke the edges of the holes. Timing is still perfect and should remain that way for a long time. This was a great suggestion, thank you.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on February 03, 2019, 08:10:21 AM
Hi, the removal of the loading lever assembly from the LeMat leaves an ugly hole. The thread size was determined to be 12-28, not an easy thread size to find. I found both brass and steel 12-28 screws on eBay. However, the steel screw is a hex head while the brass is a slot. While I would have liked to use blued steel, that hex head is so not period correct that I decided to use the brass screw blackened. The brass screw had the head flattened a little in my minilathe and then cut to correct length. That screw was then blackened using Birchwood Casey Brass Black.

The LeMat with the screw installed:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4854/46971185681_d409c726d6_b.jpg)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 03, 2019, 01:47:43 PM
That did the trick Richard. And it looks correct. Nicely done.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: scooby on February 03, 2019, 03:21:45 PM
Richard, that Kroil is the best thing since sliced bread and bubble gum. I have removed more rusted nuts and bolts from antique farm implements than I can remember. I recently tore down and old Buffalo forge blower that had every nut and bot rusted tight using Kroil.

Outstanding representation of the LeMat revolver. You are going to have some fun with it.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Hawg on February 03, 2019, 03:57:57 PM
The only thing I've seen that was better than Kroil was something I brought home from work once called Free. It wasn't Free All or Free It, it was just Free. It must be expensive because they didn't usually just leave it lying around.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on February 04, 2019, 05:00:35 AM
Hi, the only thing better than a nice revolver is a nice revolver in a nice holster. LeatherSmithMike is going to make a nice holster for my LeMat. There was a slight competition between a period correct flap holster, or more of a western style holster. The western would be more convenient at the range, I'm going with western. To compensate for period correct misgivings, a CS belt buckle was installed on one of my LeatherSmithMike's gun belts:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Civil-War-CS-Confederate-States-Reenactor-Solid-Brass-Belt-Buckle-MADE-IN-USA/202577944419?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

If you are looking for great leather products at a modest price, Mike (mike116) is the guy to go to:
www.LeathersmithMike.net

In my quest to watch movies that used the LeMat, I watched Last Stand at Saber River last night. Cold Mountain is scheduled for tonight.

Winter is preventing me from spending range time with the LeMat, but I was able to test ignition yesterday in my basement. #10 Remington caps were put on the .44 chamber nipples and a #10 CCI cap on the shotgun barrel. All the .44 chamber caps fired on each hammer fall. However, it took two hammer falls to fire the shotgun barrel cap. Other LeMat users report needing two hits of the hammer to fire the shotgun barrel. The hammer stroke is only ~1" with the hammer nose in shotgun firing position. Some report that thinning (stoning) the metal foil of the cap helps shotgun barrel ignition. I'll leave the thinning of caps to others, thank you. I noticed that the takedown lever falls down on firing the .44 chamber caps. This is another reported issue for the LeMat with takedown lever. It appears it would take some serious gunsmithing to resolve that issue. I'll just keep track on that issue when shooting. The last thing one needs is the barrel unscrewing when shooting.

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 06, 2019, 10:02:39 PM
Richard, did you resolve the takedown lever issue?

It seems like the LeMat copies have a laundry list of little hiccups. Is that the case with the originals too? Or is it just the copies that are afflicted? Not a put down of the gun at all, just an observation.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on February 07, 2019, 04:29:09 AM
Hi Dave, no I have not found a solution to the takedown lever falling down. It and breaking the loading lever is systemic in the LeMat design. This seems typical for a first model design, kind of like Colts Paterson. Having said that, Pietta makes a pretty good representation of the LeMat (discounting caliber). Like the Paterson, it is what it is. Frankly, I find the quirks in early 19th century firearms charming. Managing the idiosyncrasies in use adds to the hobby interest.

I could fix the fall down lever issue, but that would require a kludge to the revolver. IMO that's not worth doing considering the limited LeMat shooting expected.

BTW, I watched Cold Mountain again and have on order The Quick and the Dead and The Warrior's Way that show the LeMat.

Regards,
Richard

 
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on February 08, 2019, 04:39:47 AM
Hi, yesterday I cast 76 0.595" lead balls for my LeMat 20ga shotgun barrel:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4882/33150931428_f5896dc478_b.jpg)

The mold used was a Lee sold by Track of the Wolf:
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/1202/1/LEE-595-DC

Flax tow will be used for wadding:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Flax-tow-fiber-1-2-pound/233060362072?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

While 76 balls may not seem like a lot, that many should last me a few lifetimes. Most of my LeMat shooting will be done with 0.454" balls already on hand.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on February 22, 2019, 08:32:13 AM
Hi, a note on getting a screwdriver spanner for the LeMat spanner slotted screw. I bought these #12 spanner bits and then grind them down to have a thin narrow spanner:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JLZ7FXG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

With the spanner you don't need to remove the hammer screw from the frame to get into the LeMat innards.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on February 25, 2019, 08:37:25 AM
Hi, I won a replica CSA belt buckle on eBay, $15:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7849/47209569501_eefe837e6f_b.jpg)

Mike is making me a holster for my LeMat. This buckle should give the LeMat rig some snap when out at the range. Wonder if the steel targets will notice.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Dellbert on February 26, 2019, 04:14:15 PM
I had been looking at the LeMats for a long time, but the price for a new one is out of my reach also. It will be nice to see how she works out for you at the range Richard.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: tljack on February 26, 2019, 08:46:37 PM
I am very interested in how the gun does when shooting it. I have  Calvary model like yours circa 1980. I bout it from original owner. He says he never fired it and I believe him as I know him very well. He said the only one he had seen that had been fired had a plum colored cylinder. I have had the same observation of another gun. Consequently have not had the courage to shoot it even though I would love to.

If yours turns out fine, I will shoot mine and I guess I can always have it re-blued.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on February 27, 2019, 03:57:50 AM
Hi tljack, I don't think you should be concerned about the cylinder condition as it relates to safety. The short Pietta LeMat cylinder .44 chambers  takes ~20gr of powder, typical of what is recommended for a brass framed open top Colt. There should be proof marks on the cylinder face.

IMO shoot your LeMat and give us a range report. Weather may keep me from shooting mine for a few months more.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: tljack on February 27, 2019, 02:28:43 PM
I am not concerned about cylinder safety. I am concerned that it will turn a weird plumb color. It is a beautiful gun now and I do not want to screw it up. I have lots of BP percussion guns I can shoot so will wait and see how the shooting of this gun goes.

Additionally mine is about 39 years old and unfired. I might be best left that way. I realize many here do not believe in have a gun that is not a shooter, however a guy can only shoot so many! L@.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 27, 2019, 02:38:50 PM
Hey guys. If anyone is interested, here's one ending today on GB. At just over $700, it's expensive but seems like a good deal for a Lemat.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/800457644
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Hawg on February 27, 2019, 03:53:21 PM
I am not concerned about cylinder safety. I am concerned that it will turn a weird plumb color. It is a beautiful gun now and I do not want to screw it up. I have lots of BP percussion guns I can shoot so will wait and see how the shooting of this gun goes.

Additionally mine is about 39 years old and unfired. I might be best left that way. I realize many here do not believe in have a gun that is not a shooter, however a guy can only shoot so many! L@.

It might turn plum anyway but it's usually the frames that do it.

(https://i.imgur.com/9AOlPNcl.jpg)
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on March 01, 2019, 05:31:15 AM

Additionally mine is about 39 years old and unfired. I might be best left that way. I realize many here do not believe in have a gun that is not a shooter, however a guy can only shoot so many! L@.

Hi tljack, is your 39yr old LeMat a Pietta? My 18yr old Pietta LeMat has a serial number of 118, pretty low.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: G Dog on March 01, 2019, 04:31:29 PM
I am concerned that it will turn a weird plumb color.

Each to his own taste of course but what’s “weird” about plum frames?  Unusual maybe.  A matter of copper content according to members here.  I have a couple of Pietta Remington 2011’s that are headed that way, slowly.  It’s a good look, says I.



Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: tljack on March 05, 2019, 11:33:45 AM

Additionally mine is about 39 years old and unfired. I might be best left that way. I realize many here do not believe in have a gun that is not a shooter, however a guy can only shoot so many! L@.

Hi tljack, is your 39yr old LeMat a Pietta? My 18yr old Pietta LeMat has a serial number of 118, pretty low.

Regards,
Richard

I am sorry to be so slow replying to your question!! I did not see the post until now.
I have no idea. Theo only markings are: Navy Arms then the city, On top of the barrel it says, "Col LeMat, under the loading lever "black powder only" No date code, no proof marks, no manufacture emblem etc. Serial is 789. My dating is based on the friend I bought it from who purchased it new.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on March 22, 2019, 10:38:41 AM
Hi, LeatherSmithMike made me a holster for my LeMat, it just arrived today. The LeMat fits like a glove:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7800/46719909174_14eedf50e7_b.jpg)

You may ask, who made that great belt? LeatherSmithMike of course.

When shooting I always like a pristine gun and a holster that I can be proud. You will never go wrong having LeatherSmithMike do your leather work.

www.LeathersmithMike.net

Now for some nice shooting weather.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 22, 2019, 11:44:13 AM
WOW!  (jh

Simple and elegant. I love it! The LeMat looks right at home too.

Well done Mike!!
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Captainkirk on March 22, 2019, 11:58:29 AM
Richard, you are one stylin' dude!
And, nice work, Mike!
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on April 07, 2019, 09:28:49 AM
Hi, the temperature got to a little over 60 dF today so I finally got a chance to shoot the Pietta LeMat revolver. I loaded 25gr powder followed by a lubed wad and .454" ball using my Tower of Power loading tool. Remington #10 caps were used. This revolver sure can sling the lead, my steel targets were singing their hearts out. Nine shots fired fast got the barrel pretty hot. The revolver shooting two hands from 25yds produced groups ~4" ~2" to the left. The revolver is sure a handful. Didn't have a single cap jam or any other problem. I then shot the shotgun barrel using 50gr powder and a patched 0.590" balls. CCI #10 caps were used. The accuracy from the shotgun barrel was good and that large ball really has the steel targets ring loudly.

While the LeMat shoots well, that heavy revolver is one huge handful. Give me an 1851 for any serious BP revolver need. IMO it's a good thing that not too many LeMats were made or the South would have lost the war sooner than it did.

The LeMat will now be cleaned and retired as a safe queen.  )l_ )l_

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 07, 2019, 11:20:15 AM
Thanks for the report Richard. Sure sounds like a lot of fun shootin that monster. I'd have a hard time letting that one sit in the safe.
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: Hewy on July 04, 2019, 07:53:36 AM
Hey Richard ,I read most of the postings for your LeMat, unfortunatly the photos did not appear. Looks like your having
a lot of fun. :)
Hewy
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on July 04, 2019, 08:54:52 AM
Hi Hewy, yeah, that stinkbucket Flickr lost my photos. I'll check this computer for photo backups.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on July 04, 2019, 09:16:19 AM
A few more LeMat photos:

Title: Re: Richard is getting a LeMat
Post by: ssb73q on July 07, 2019, 07:03:11 AM
Hi, saw this on eBay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-LeMat-Revolver-Experimental-Fluted-9-Shot-Cartridge-Cylinder-Brass/323852440480?hash=item4b671c13a0:g:BQgAAOSwM81dIUOE

I think that someone is trying to pull a fast one.

BTW, watched the movie Forsaken again yesterday, great shots of the LeMat at the shootout near the end of the movie.

Regards,
Richard