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Title: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on February 13, 2019, 09:42:36 AM
Hi, I thought it would interesting if we posted photos of our flintlocks. I have a Pedersoli Kentucky and Hawken. The ignition of these rifles is so slow that I can do my taxes and file them before the rifles discharge.  ;)  My slowpokes:

Even though they are slow ignition, they are a lot more fun to shoot than my percussion rifles.

Show us your stonelocks.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on February 13, 2019, 10:13:46 AM
The ignition of these rifles is so slow that I can do my taxes and file them before the rifles discharge.

You must be using TurboTax, I take it? ;)

Show us your stonelocks.

Alas, I have none to show. Someday, perhaps... :'(

Those are some nice rock locks, Richard. Especially the halfstock on the bottom.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 13, 2019, 01:10:34 PM
Nice rifles Richard. I wish I had a flintlock to show. I've always wanted one. In fact, I've been thinking about selling a couple of my C&B pistols to finance a flintlock.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: BOOMSTICK BRUCE on February 13, 2019, 06:01:23 PM
Here's mine... I don't know what it is, all I know is its 45 caliber...

I haven't shot it yet but I did light off the pan in my basement, which, fyi, will set off the smoke detectors...
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: DoubleDeuce1 on February 17, 2019, 07:21:09 PM
Boomstick,  your rifle looks like an early CVA or Jukar rifle.  I’d try a .440 cal ball with pillow ticking patch,  and start at about 45 gr FFFG.  They used to have good barrels,  but the early flintlocks weren’t all that reliable.  They have since improved them.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on February 28, 2019, 10:01:21 AM
This is one of mine. Will have to take some pictures of others.
http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2482.msg24859.html#msg24859
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: tljack on February 28, 2019, 10:21:11 AM
I wish I had a flintlock to show. I've always wanted one.

If you once get bitten by the flintlock bug, there is no going back!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: tljack on February 28, 2019, 10:50:10 AM
I am going to have to make a couple of posts here as my computer is not letting me post 3 pictures. Must be to large.

This picture is of 3 of my flinters,

top: Virginia Rifle, .36 caliber, circa 1820 - 30
Middle: Lancaster Pennsylvania, Issiac Haines style. It is .50 caliber, circa 1770 - 80
Bottom: Transitional style, .62 caliber smooth bore. Circa 1720 - 30
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 28, 2019, 11:43:18 AM
I wish I had a flintlock to show. I've always wanted one.

If you once get bitten by the flintlock bug, there is no going back!

I know, that's what I'm afraid of. 

No different then C&B pistols. I just keep getting more, even though I don't need them.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 28, 2019, 11:45:04 AM
I am going to have to make a couple of posts here as my computer is not letting me post 3 pictures. Must be to large.

This picture is of 3 of my flinters,

top: Virginia Rifle, .36 caliber, circa 1820 - 30
Middle: Lancaster Pennsylvania, Issiac Haines style. It is .50 caliber, circa 1770 - 80
Bottom: Transitional style, .62 caliber smooth bore. Circa 1720 - 30

Not only do you have 3 ultra cool rifles, you have 3 ultra cool ORIGINAL rifles!!! Here's to you Sir!  )l_
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: tljack on February 28, 2019, 12:50:52 PM
I wish I had a flintlock to show. I've always wanted one.

If you once get bitten by the flintlock bug, there is no going back!

I know, that's what I'm afraid of. 

No different then C&B pistols. I just keep getting more, even though I don't need them.

Is that ever the truth! I am always looking for one I do not have or a good buy one one I do! ha
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: tljack on February 28, 2019, 12:52:43 PM
I am going to have to make a couple of posts here as my computer is not letting me post 3 pictures. Must be to large.

This picture is of 3 of my flinters,

top: Virginia Rifle, .36 caliber, circa 1820 - 30
Middle: Lancaster Pennsylvania, Issiac Haines style. It is .50 caliber, circa 1770 - 80
Bottom: Transitional style, .62 caliber smooth bore. Circa 1720 - 30

Not only do you have 3 ultra cool rifles, you have 3 ultra cool ORIGINAL rifles!!! Here's to you Sir!  )l_

None of these are originals. I do have a few C&B originals however. These are all custom built reproductions of originals.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on February 28, 2019, 01:06:59 PM
I bought a Kentucky long rifle when I was 13. It was the worst POS I'd ever seen but then I knew nothing about flinters. I never bought another one. I would like to have one now tho.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: tljack on February 28, 2019, 02:46:02 PM
The lock and a sharp flint are probably the most important part of a flintlock. Of course things like a good barrel help.

With a good lock and sharp flint you should have zero delay. Pull the trigger and it should go bang!

I think the best production gun currently being manufactured is the Lyman Plains rifle. That is what to me excited about FLs!!

Good luck, hope you can find a way to get one!!!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on February 28, 2019, 03:26:05 PM
The lock and a sharp flint are probably the most important part of a flintlock. Of course things like a good barrel help.

With a good lock and sharp flint you should have zero delay. Pull the trigger and it should go bang!

I think the best production gun currently being manufactured is the Lyman Plains rifle. That is what to me excited about FLs!!

Good luck, hope you can find a way to get one!!!

My gun buying days are over unless I sell something to get something else. Not likely to happen. with knowledge I didn't have when I was 13 I suspect the frizzen wasn't hardened. It sure was a pretty rifle tho. I traded it for a 63 Ford Falcon. That would have been in 1970.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: tljack on March 01, 2019, 01:47:57 PM

My gun buying days are over unless I sell something to get something else. Not likely to happen. with knowledge I didn't have when I was 13 I suspect the frizzen wasn't hardened. It sure was a pretty rifle tho. I traded it for a 63 Ford Falcon. That would have been in 1970.

You always can enjoy the guns you have! They are special.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on March 01, 2019, 08:18:01 PM
True dat.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Dellbert on March 01, 2019, 09:08:57 PM
Those are some fine looking flintlocks guys. I'm in the same boat as Hawg. Would haft to sale some, to buy one. From what I've been looking at, those flintlock rifles don't come cheap.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on March 01, 2019, 10:18:29 PM
Those are some fine looking flintlocks guys. I'm in the same boat as Hawg. Would haft to sale some, to buy one. From what I've been looking at, those flintlock rifles don't come cheap.

Not anything approaching an accurate depiction of an original rifle anyway. You can find Traditions Kentucky rifles and Lyman Great Plains and TC Hawken's etc. The Lyman is the closest to a real Hawken as you can get in a reasonably priced production rifle but there's only one known Hawken flinter known to exist and it's a full stock. That's not to say they didn't make any half stock flinters but the historical record for them isn't there.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 02, 2019, 04:49:00 AM
Hi, I complain about the lock slowness of my  Pedersoli flintlocks. I have a Traditions Trapper flintlock handgun that has a locktime as fast as my percussion rifles. The only difference I see between the Pedersoli and Traditions is the lock size. The Pedersoli uses a 1/2" flint and frizzen, the Traditions a 5/8" flint and frizzen. I have spent hours and hours trying to get the Pedersoli locktimes decreased, but they still stay as slow as molasses. Increased vent size, tried different power bankings, but not much luck getting the Pedersoli's to discharge quickly. One Pedersoli has the vent hole high, the other Pedersoli rifle low vent. If it wasn't for the quick locktime of my Trapper I would think that flintlocks are all slow compared to percussion.

The reason I am interested in having a fast locktime is for optimal accuracy.

The Trapper:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7890/46532402154_ace7748ba5_b.jpg)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on March 02, 2019, 12:27:47 PM
This is a custom competition gun but there's no reason they can't all be this fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pLwu9NiXmk
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 05, 2019, 09:53:40 AM
Hi Hawg, thanks for the video. My Trapper handgun is as fast. That's what I want for my Pedersoli rifles.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Dave Shooter on March 05, 2019, 06:57:00 PM
My .50.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/j6ke0z.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/157m0km.jpg)

(http://i64.tinypic.com/28gvz2v.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/addgf6.jpg)

Sold by Remington.  I believe Hatfield made them for big green.  I'll have to get some natural light pics eventually; these don't do it justice.

BTW, I have that same model pistol in the video.  It is indeed fast.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: scooby on March 05, 2019, 07:59:52 PM
Hmmm Dave, I was trying to make out the name on the top barrel flat and could not do so from the pic. Then I scrolled down and read the text and was enlighted. Meanwhile, as I looked at the other two pics, Hatfield struck a cord. I recognized the geometry of the rifle but could not place it. The original Hatfield's were fine pieces. I have been around several of them owned by friends.

Tell me more about the meaning of "big green." Definately post some pics in natural light when you can.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: tljack on March 06, 2019, 12:32:58 PM
A great book about Flintlocks that is worth adding to your library if you do not have it and you have the slightest interest in flintlock firearms is:

The Flintlock, It's origin, Development , and Use by Torsten Lenk and translated by G>A. Urquhart. Originally published in Sweden in 1939. The author retired as Director of the Royal Swedish Armory.

Not only does the book have great information, the photos of antique firearms is awesome!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 07, 2019, 05:22:29 AM
A great book about Flintlocks that is worth adding to your library if you do not have it and you have the slightest interest in flintlock firearms is:

The Flintlock, It's origin, Development , and Use by Torsten Lenk and translated by G>A. Urquhart. Originally published in Sweden in 1939. The author retired as Director of the Royal Swedish Armory.

Not only does the book have great information, the photos of antique firearms is awesome!

Hi Dave, thanks for the suggestion. I see it can be purchased from Amazon and eBay. I ordered this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Flintlock-Its-Origin-Development-and-Use-by-Lenk-Torsten-Good-Cond/254116771054?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on March 07, 2019, 08:22:08 AM
A good friend gave me a copy of that book for a birthday (or was it Christmas?) present. Great book! I may post a couple more pictures soon.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on March 07, 2019, 10:07:34 AM
This topic draws a pure interest from me. Flintlocks have never gained much attention on this forum, and rightfully so, given that it is a Colt based forum. However, my current interest in all historical firearms began with the flintlock, even before I got out of high school. I have spent quite some time on the study of them.
Scooby, only reason I haven't posted and rock lock pictures is because I don't own any (yet). And it's not a matter of not wanting one, either. So feel free, all of you who do own them, to post away with as many pix as you see fit, you'll get no complaints out of me!
Without the American flinter, there would be no "American" at all. I can still picture Charleton Heston standing at the NRA podium holding a flintlock long rifle in his hand. The significance and importance is undeniable. That is our roots and heritage, no matter where on the globe we originated from.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Len on March 07, 2019, 11:02:46 AM
This thread is under "rifles and muskets//flintlocks"
I've got two original flinter pistols (late 18th or early 19th century) that I shoot frequently. Great fun.
One English .50" and one French .60". Stamps and gilt and inlays. Funny thing is that they are cheap. Got them at auctions. Price range for such items (unless very rare) is $200 to $500. Ridiculous.
If there's any interest, can post pics.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on March 07, 2019, 11:20:52 AM

If there's any interest, can post pics.

Aye!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on March 07, 2019, 12:24:16 PM
My .50.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/j6ke0z.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/157m0km.jpg)

(http://i64.tinypic.com/28gvz2v.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/addgf6.jpg)

Sold by Remington.  I believe Hatfield made them for big green.  I'll have to get some natural light pics eventually; these don't do it justice.

BTW, I have that same model pistol in the video.  It is indeed fast.
I remember when Remington brought those rifles out. Always kinda wanted one but I think they were around $1800 at the time.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on March 07, 2019, 12:25:49 PM
Here are 3 of my original turn-barrel flintlocks
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7840/40346816443_6f8198b467_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Len on March 07, 2019, 12:39:59 PM
Mazo,
I need some edu here. What does a "turn-barrel flintlock" mean?
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: tljack on March 07, 2019, 02:04:34 PM
Mazo,
I need some edu here. What does a "turn-barrel flintlock" mean?

Sometimes also called "Screw" Barrel. The barrel unscrews to assist in loading.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on March 08, 2019, 12:45:03 PM
Exactly! You unscrew the barrel; there is a recess in the frame for powder, put powder in, ball on top, turn barrel on. No ramrod needed. Of course, there isn't much fire-power there, but these are close range guns, often called muff pistols as ladies could conceal them in their hand muffs. Also vest pocket pistols.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Len on March 08, 2019, 01:10:38 PM
Thanks. Got it.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 16, 2019, 04:46:35 AM
A great book about Flintlocks that is worth adding to your library if you do not have it and you have the slightest interest in flintlock firearms is:

The Flintlock, It's origin, Development , and Use by Torsten Lenk and translated by G>A. Urquhart. Originally published in Sweden in 1939. The author retired as Director of the Royal Swedish Armory.

Not only does the book have great information, the photos of antique firearms is awesome!

Hi, I bought the book. It is good on history, but weak on technical information necessary to properly tune a flintlock. I looked for a more practical book and learned that Flintlocks - A Practical Guide for their Use and Appreciation by Eric A. Bye was the book to have. A check on Amazon and eBay has that book for ~$144, wow:
https://www.amazon.com/Flintlocks-Practical-Guide-their-Appreciation/dp/0977073645/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=flintlock+book&qid=1552735007&s=gateway&sr=8-1#customerReviews

That's too rich a cost for that book. A little more research found that book for a more reasonable price, ~$30. I ordered one. Ordered from:
https://www.crazycrow.com/muzzleloading-guns-and-gunsmithing/flintlocks-a-practical-guide-for-their-use-and-appreciation

I look forward to getting this book.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 16, 2019, 08:28:38 AM
This is a custom competition gun but there's no reason they can't all be this fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pLwu9NiXmk

Hi Hawg, this is a video of someone shooting the Traditions Trapper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SiSwCKjjHo

This handgun has a locktime similar to mine, fast. Too bad those Pedersoli rifles are so slow. I'm thinking hard on getting the Traditions Prairie Hawken in the hope of having a fast locktime rifle:

http://www.oldsouthfirearms.com/TraditionsPrairieHawkenRifle.50CalFlintlockSelectHardwood-1-1.aspx

A fast locktime means good accuracy compared to a slow locktime.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 16, 2019, 09:39:36 AM
Hi, I thought hard,  talked to my wife, and delighted that my wife is giving me the Traditions Prairie Flintlock for Easter.  The rifle:

http://www.oldsouthfirearms.com/TraditionsPrairieHawkenRifle.50CalFlintlockSelectHardwood-1-1.aspx

The kit is ~$100 less, but the idea of another kit leaves me cold.

If this rifle ends up with a slow locktime, it gets wrapped around a light pole.

I'll post some photos when it comes in.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 17, 2019, 04:06:56 AM
Hi, this is the flintlock rifle  ignition speed I am looking for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H4chpPy1mE

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on March 17, 2019, 08:15:44 AM
He said he didn't do anything to the lock, just uses French amber flints.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 17, 2019, 08:58:42 AM
Hi, I haven't yet tried French Amber Flints. Sounds like Spanish Fly?  )lI

I have tried a number of cut and knapped English Fints in my Pedersoli rifles:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7837/32462019017_95facea0c4_b.jpg)

My Traditions Trapper has fast ignition, the Petersoli rifles are dogs. I have tried different flints, enhances vent holes, different powder position and dogs of Pedersoli just go woof woof bang. One of the Pedersoli's has the vent hole high in the pan, the other low. Both remain dogs.

There isn't anything I can do wrong and not have the Traditions Trapper ignition fast. I did notice that the Trapper has a cutout at the bottom of the flashpan next to the vent liner, see:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4839/32462019107_d5bba651cb_b.jpg)

The Pedersoli pans go straight to the edge of the barrel. Does the Trapper pan cutout make the difference? I don't know, but may try to dremel a cutout on one of the Pedersoli's after I test the new Traditions Prairie Hawken and see if it also has that pan cutout.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: AntiqueSledMan on March 17, 2019, 01:25:17 PM
Thank you Richard,

Now I can show my Flintlock, I always thought it was just me.
33 years ago I decided to try a Flinter, purchased a Davide Pedersoli Pennsylvania in .32 cal, with its 42" barrel and rock lock I thought it was going to be lots of fun. I fought it for about 2 years and finally purchased a percussion lock, built a drum and installed a nipple from my Thompson Center Hawken and never looked back. I later wished I'd not used the Thompson nipple, who would have ever thought that they would change them but I did find some Treso's which are exact replacements. The Flintlock has been lying in my desk ever since. I do love shooting this thing.

AntiqueSledMan.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 18, 2019, 05:34:23 AM
Hi Antique, that is one sure way to get a fast locktime!  :) :)

I have a couple Thompson Center Hawkens that are percussion, one .45, the other .50. They never fail to fire and have an instantaneous locktime.

There is a charm about flintlocks. The learning curve is steep, but there is a certain sense of accomplishment when becoming a proficient stonelock practitioner. My inability to get a fast locktime from my Pedersoli flintlocks just means that I need to continue on the learning curve.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 20, 2019, 09:18:55 AM
Hi, this guy shoots a Pedersoli Kentucky flintlock upside down and the ignition is fast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAOguWdyHUA

Maybe that's my problem, I'm trying to shoot it right side up?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 20, 2019, 09:39:02 AM
That was pretty cool. I had no idea a flintlock would even fire upside down. You'd think the priming powder would fall right out.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 20, 2019, 09:53:09 AM
Hi Dave, I understand that the ability to shoot a flintlock upside down is a test for a properly setup and tuned flintlock. I tried it with my fast locktime Traditions Trapper handgun, but never got it to work upsides down.

On my bucket list is to have a fast locktime flintlock rifle and a flintlock that shoot reliably when upside down.

Sometimes the pursuit is the more fun part of success?  &\? &\? &\?

Regards,
Richard



Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 20, 2019, 10:50:55 AM


Sometimes the pursuit is the more fun part of success?  &\? &\? &\?

Regards,
Richard

That is absolutely true Richard. It's all about the journey, not the destination.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: BOOMSTICK BRUCE on March 20, 2019, 02:45:59 PM
Shotgundave will be joining the rock lock ranks here soon and I'll be joining the ranks of 1860 Colt owners!

That would put me at 11 Remingtons (10 58's and a 63) and 2 colts (47 Walker and 60 army)
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 20, 2019, 04:06:53 PM
Shotgundave will be joining the rock lock ranks here soon and I'll be joining the ranks of 1860 Colt owners!

That would put me at 11 Remingtons (10 58's and a 63) and 2 colts (47 Walker and 60 army)

Yes Sir!

I can't wait to post a picture of my very own flinter!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Dave Shooter on March 20, 2019, 06:44:46 PM
That was pretty cool. I had no idea a flintlock would even fire upside down. You'd think the priming powder would fall right out.

Terry Lapchinski has built several underhammer flintlock pistols.  The ignition is great, and he built them with interchangeable caplock components.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 21, 2019, 10:27:42 AM
Hi, the Traditions Prairie flintlock just came in the door.

You win some, you lose some. This rifle clearly isn't in the same quality level as Petersoli. I don't know what the wood of the Prairie is, but I'm sure it isn't walnut. The brass furniture has a black chrome finish that looks nice, but I doubt the durability. There is nothing special about the lock and the pan is slightly offset the vent hold. What's good is that the vent hole is at the top of the pan.

Aesthetic is one thing, shooting the main reason to have a flintlock. As soon as the weather permits, the rifle will be tested with a shooting report following.

The rifle:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7920/47382940152_20b4dc0746_b.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7888/47382940292_5609497ff1_b.jpg)

IMO if interested in a Traditions Hawken flintlock, I would recommend the lower cost Hawken with brass hardware is the better buy.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on March 21, 2019, 10:43:31 AM
Awaiting your range report!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Dave Shooter on March 21, 2019, 02:46:18 PM
That was pretty cool. I had no idea a flintlock would even fire upside down. You'd think the priming powder would fall right out.

Terry Lapchinski has built several underhammer flintlock pistols.  The ignition is great, and he built them with interchangeable caplock components.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2ds4oqf.jpg)
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Dave Shooter on March 21, 2019, 02:50:11 PM
Wife looking over my shoulder says it looks like cotton candy...
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 22, 2019, 08:10:07 AM
Hi, a 5/8x3/4" Tom Fuller english flint was mounted in the cock of the Traditions Prairie Hawken and the lock was tested. The hammer is nice and hard and produces many sparks. The lock of the Hawken is very similar to the lock used on the Traditions Trapper pistol. The only difference is the shape of the cock. The rifle was then torn down. Getting the parts off the stock was difficult in that all the parts (barrel and lock) are tight in the stock. A negative of this rifle is that the spring that holds the ramrod is held in place with the same rear screw of the lock. One needs to be careful to get the spring on the rear lock screw before reassembly. I measured the weight of the Hawken, 8lbs, 11oz.

Everything needed to shoot the Hawken has been prepped and boxed up. All I need is some good weather. It's snowing today so testing is still a few days away.

The sight of the Hawken is very nice with a very fine silver front sight. I suspect that the sights will allow for some very fine aiming.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 24, 2019, 09:32:44 AM
Hi, I'm tired of using a box to carry out my supplies used for flintlock shooting and decided to get a possibles bag. I ordered this bag for that purpose:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LZATKI8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The price seems right and should be big enough to allow carrying powder, balls, and other accessories for shooting flintlock.

Regards,
Richard

 
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 24, 2019, 10:56:15 AM
That's a pretty good looking bag Richard.

I am going to make a possibles bag for my flintlock supplies. I have a piece of leather set aside for the task.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 25, 2019, 11:40:16 AM
Hi Dave, good for you. If I tried to do leather work I would probably stitch my finger to the object being sewn. LeaterSmithMike is my goto guy if I need something special in leatherwork. I look forward to seeing the possibles bag you make.

Regards,
Richard 
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on March 27, 2019, 09:39:21 AM
Hi, the temperature got to a little over 40 degrees today so the new Traditions Prairie Hawken flintlock was tested. First I tried 0.49 balls with 50gr Olde Eynsford black powder. The rifle discharged instantaneously on pulling the trigger. Hallelujah!!!!!!!!

I then tried using miniballs and they worked great. The gun with real black powder fires as soon as the trigger is pulled, no delay in the least. The rifle responded like my percussion rifles, fast. Twenty five rounds were fired without a single hitch or ignition delay.

Closely held beliefs are a terrible thing to waste. I had always assumed that Black Mz has similar ignition characteristics to real black powder. All my testing with the Pedersoli Kentucky and Hawken rifles were tried using Black Mz. There was always a significant ignition delay. I never tried using real black powder using those rifles. Just for grins I tried using Black Mz in my new Traditions Hawken. What I got was a significant flash then bang long after the trigger was pulled. I tried the Black Mz in the Hawken a few more times, huge ignition delay.

I am so embarrassed bad mouthing the Pedersoli's. I will again retest the Pedersoli rifles with real black to learn if the problem was the Black Mz.

BTW, from 25yds offhand, the Prairie Hawken produced groups ~2" using real black.  Using the Black Mz produced ~3.5" groups because of the movement during ignition delay.

So embarrassed,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on March 27, 2019, 09:41:03 AM
Thanks for sharing your learning experiences with us, Richard. We don't know what we don't know.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on March 27, 2019, 06:38:30 PM
I'm glad you got everything ironed out! I have always thought that no sub would be reliable in a flintlock. The pan powder was hard to ignite, so some guys resorted to using real black for priming. Still don't not as good as real black all around.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 02, 2019, 08:58:31 AM
OK, back to pictures! Here are a couple more of my flint pistols. I built the top one and a friend of mine built the bottom one for me using my stock, barrel, and lock. He made everything else. The top one is a 20 gauge smooth bore and the other is a Sharon barreled 50 caliber.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 02, 2019, 09:22:11 AM
I can finally post pictures of my very first flintlock! It arrived on Saturday.

I know very little about it. It's .45 caliber and has a 33 1/2" barrel. That's all I really know. I was told it's Spanish, but there aren't any markings on it that are visible, other than a serial number. I'm going to take the barrel off and see if there's anything on it below the wood. It seems to be a nicely made piece. I adjusted the flint and got it making lots of sparks. I'm excited to get some balls and patches and make some smoke with it!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7832/47470590162_d05a676e9e_z.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7889/33646343818_78400d056f_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 02, 2019, 12:27:37 PM
Curious about the brass patch. Does the barrel have Jukar stamped on it? They made a 2 piece stock rifle, but it had about a 1/8" thick plate where the 2 pieces joined together. Your rifle looks like pretty much like one, and matches the description. Just wondering if a previous owner wanted to make it look like a period repair. They were imported by several companies, CVA, Richland, Ultra-Hi, etc.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on April 02, 2019, 12:40:37 PM
Also curious about the patch.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 02, 2019, 12:56:44 PM
Hi Dave, nice looking flintlock, congratulations. I see that you are using leather for the flint cock. Why did you choose leather over lead? Can't wait until I see your shooting report.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 02, 2019, 02:49:56 PM
Thanks guys!

Mazo, Capt. There are no markings on the rifle at all. I found one on eBay that was identical to mine, right down to the brass clip. It said it was a Jukar. But mine doesn't say that anywhere on it. I'll get the stock off tonight and look underneath. The stock is a two piece, the brass clip covers the joint. And it is a clip. It slides back and forth on the stock. I'll get a good picture of it and post it.

Richard, I didn't choose the leather for the clamp, it chose me. LOL! It was on there when it arrived. I have seen both lead and leather used in pictures and videos I've been watching. Is there a preference? Does one work better than the other?
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 02, 2019, 06:15:58 PM
That's the first I have seen a "clip" over the wood joint. As far as flint wrapped in lead or leather.....well there are many opinions on which is best. I personally use leather as it takes a lot more force to secure a lead-wrapped flint....in my opinion. I drill a hole through the top of the jaw screw, rather than using the screwdriver slot for tightening the flint in place. Probably both work well.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 02, 2019, 06:26:21 PM
Well I took it apart and either solved the mystery, or added to it. The only thing stamped on the barrel is "Spain", back by the breech on the bottom barrel flat. The breech plug is welded in too. Not sure of that's bad or good.

The brass clip is nicely made. It slides over the wood and must be installed prior to putting the stock back together. (ask me how I know). The two wood pieces are held together with a brass tube about 1/2" in diameter and 3" long. That and the brass stock end cap is screwed to the barrel. It's a solidly put together rifle. No rattles or looseness.

Even if it's a low grade rifle, I'm happy to have it and use it to learn with. When I graduate up to a better gun, the kids can use this one and I won't have to worry about them dinging up a valuable gun.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 02, 2019, 08:32:22 PM
Figured out what it is. And it's not .45 caliber. It's a .50

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/traditions-kentucky-rifle-kit-flintlock.html
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 03, 2019, 04:33:37 AM
Hi Dave, based on this book:
https://www.crazycrow.com/muzzleloading-guns-and-gunsmithing/flintlocks-a-practical-guide-for-their-use-and-appreciation

They prefer leather compared to lead to hold in a flint in a small lock flintlocks. I did use leather in my Traditions Trapper handgun, but
have been using lead in my rifles and find it holds the flint well. Larry Pletcher tested the difference in sparking between leather and lead, see:
https://www.blackpowdermag.com/lead-vs-leather-flint-attachment-study/

There is no difference in performance. I like lead in that I don't need to disassemble the flint from the cock when cleaning. I clean a lock with a toothbrush in soapy water and then put the lock in an oven at 250 dF for a half hour to remove all water. Leather would hold the water longer and I don't know how leather responds to 250 degrees.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on April 03, 2019, 04:39:46 AM
CVA rifles had the brass patch on kit guns so they could put them in a smaller box. Traditions sells the same gun but I think the finished guns still have the patch.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 03, 2019, 06:10:15 AM
Hi Dave, based on this book:
https://www.crazycrow.com/muzzleloading-guns-and-gunsmithing/flintlocks-a-practical-guide-for-their-use-and-appreciation

They prefer leather compared to lead to hold in a flint in a small lock flintlocks. I did use leather in my Traditions Trapper handgun, but
have been using lead in my rifles and find it holds the flint well. Larry Pletcher tested the difference in sparking between leather and lead, see:
https://www.blackpowdermag.com/lead-vs-leather-flint-attachment-study/

There is no difference in performance. I like lead in that I don't need to disassemble the flint from the cock when cleaning. I clean a lock with a toothbrush in soapy water and then put the lock in an oven at 250 dF for a half hour to remove all water. Leather would hold the water longer and I don't know how leather responds to 250 degrees.

Regards,
Richard

Hi Dave, knowledgeable people recommend removing the flint when cleaning a lock. Since I was having success with my Traditions Trapper with a leather flint holder, I switched my lead wrapped flint rifles to leather wrap. I ran into a little problem with the Pedersoli rifles in that the cock screw wouldn't turn down enough to capture the leather wrapped flint. The leather is thinner than the lead. I had to grind off a little of the cock screws to have the leather wrapped flint fit. All the rifles that have been flint leather wrapped are sparking nicely.

Looking for a nice day to try out my Pedersoli Kentucky using real black powder.

BTW, I bought a very nice soft leather carrying sleeve for my BP rifles:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WJ9V0V8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It's so soft that I want to take it to bed with me.  )l_

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 03, 2019, 08:33:39 AM
CVA rifles had the brass patch on kit guns so they could put them in a smaller box. Traditions sells the same gun but I think the finished guns still have the patch.


Thanks Hawg. So it's possible that it's a CVA gun then. It's odd that mine doesn't have anything stamped on it. The pictures I've seen of the Traditions and other's have their company info plastered all over them like billboards. Mine has absolutely nothing. Maybe mine is just a much older gun?


Richard, thanks for all the info. You're always a wealth of knowledge.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 03, 2019, 05:36:13 PM
Ok fellas. I was able to tap a .454 round ball into the muzzle. So it's definitely a .45 caliber gun. I measured the swaged center portion of the ball after removal and it was .450 at the widest point. So what size ball and patch should I get for it? Thanks for all the help!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7816/46808774224_217a2b0400_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 03, 2019, 08:14:47 PM
Hi Dave, you want to use 0.440" balls and either a 0.010" or 0.015" patch. The thinner patch makes for easier loading, the thicker for best accuracy. I buy patches from Sagebrush:
http://www.sageoutfitters.com/Muzzleloader.html

You will need 3f BP for the main charge, 4f BP for the pan. Some use the same 3f powder for both. Safety with muzzle loading rifles requires a powder measure off the powder flask or horn. You should also have a short starter. You can buy measures and other flintlock supplies from Track of the Wolf:
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/

I have been shooting percussion BP rifles for many years, my first a Thompson Center .45. The flintlock will be a harder to master beast than percussion.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 03, 2019, 08:21:25 PM
Thank you for the help Richard.

I have most of what's needed already. I just need to get a couple more things and I'll be set.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 04, 2019, 03:15:55 AM
Hi Dave, I like this flask for the pan priming:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001GXCLRA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 04, 2019, 07:43:48 AM
Hi, I ordered two 3/8" 7075 T6 aluminum rods from Online Metals:

https://www.onlinemetals.com/en/buy/aluminum/aluminum-round-bar-7075-t6-cold-finish/pid/10439

and turned them into loading rods for my muzzle-loading rifles.

One end of the rod was drilled with a #35 drill and tapped 10-32 for attaching jigs, the new rod:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7886/33659059858_0278b87402_b.jpg)

Muzzle loading guides were also ordered:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Treso-Ramrod-Guide-for-3-8-Diameter-Range-Rods-and-Ramrods-USA-Made-1123006-15/264255859735?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

Still waiting for good weather to retest my Pedersoli flintlocks using black powder.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 04, 2019, 09:25:07 AM
A good idea to have separate range/loading rods. I have them for different calibers; also made muzzle protectors for them.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 04, 2019, 09:53:13 AM
These are the only ones I am familiar with.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/799585287
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 04, 2019, 10:17:45 AM
Hi, ordered a new Traditions Kentucky flintlock rifle:

http://www.oldsouthfirearms.com/traditionskentuckyflintlockrifle.aspx

All my other BP rifles have a 1:48 twist. This rifle has a 1:66 twist that is optimal for accuracy with round ball.

A YouTube video shows excellent accuracy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acM92lmgD48

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on April 04, 2019, 10:51:30 AM
Hi, ordered a new Traditions Kentucky flintlock rifle:

I'm trying to figure out if you're gonna run out of money, space, or your wife's good blessing first, Richard? )lI
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 04, 2019, 01:10:05 PM
Hi Kirk, if you have ever seen cows that have been cooped up all winter and then are let out on the first good weather sunny day you would understand. They go absolutely nuts, jumping and running around like crazy. It has been a long cold winter and I am feeling just like those cows wanting to go shooting. The flintlock bug has bit me and I won't settle down until a thousand flintlock rounds have been shot.

BTW, my wife doesn't yet know about the newly ordered flintlock. There is a good chance I will be living outside with my rifles soon.  (jh (jh (jh

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 06, 2019, 01:24:33 PM
A couple more pistols....I bought this at the Bloody Lake rendezvous a few years ago. I believe the owner had passed away and some friends were selling his stuff for the widow. I have pretty large hands, but the grips on this are huge! I'll have to see about slimming them down, along with some other stuff like making a trigger guard.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 06, 2019, 01:27:09 PM
Hi mazo, what is it? What caliber?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on April 06, 2019, 05:24:48 PM
CVA rifles had the brass patch on kit guns so they could put them in a smaller box. Traditions sells the same gun but I think the finished guns still have the patch.


Thanks Hawg. So it's possible that it's a CVA gun then. It's odd that mine doesn't have anything stamped on it. The pictures I've seen of the Traditions and other's have their company info plastered all over them like billboards. Mine has absolutely nothing. Maybe mine is just a much older gun?

Earmarks of a kit gun.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 07, 2019, 11:00:13 AM
Caliber is 36, and although I don't have any history of the gun, I don't think it is a kit. I believe it is a home-built target pistol. The lock is a CVA and I believe the adjustable rear sight is T/C.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 07, 2019, 11:02:30 AM
Another pistol, this one is an un-fired Queen Anne. I just had to have it, and never fired it! It had a sharp edge on the trigger when I got it, so smoothed that out.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 07, 2019, 11:05:59 AM
A left hand home-built pistol. I bought this on auction, was always going to take the shine off the stock.....just too many other projects!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 07, 2019, 11:12:10 AM
Right side.... stay tuned, could be some more hiding in the basement!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on April 07, 2019, 12:25:14 PM
Caliber is 36, and although I don't have any history of the gun, I don't think it is a kit. I believe it is a home-built target pistol. The lock is a CVA and I believe the adjustable rear sight is T/C.

I was referring to the rifle as being a kit.  The pistol is the type they use at Friendship and other places.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 07, 2019, 02:05:40 PM
Hi mazo, thanks for the photos, really neat firearms. When can we have a tour of your basement?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Dellbert on April 07, 2019, 06:08:48 PM
Do you guys get along with the sites that come with the pistoles, or do you haft to replace most of them? If I needed to replace a front site, where would be the best place to buy them, Track Of The Wolff? Would you just file down the front site to hit poa?
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on April 07, 2019, 07:10:35 PM
If I just had to have the sights pinpointed I'd file them down but my 73 I'd have to cut the sight in half  to get it pinpointed but I just leave half of it sticking up over the rear sight. I guess I'm just lazy.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Dellbert on April 07, 2019, 07:17:59 PM
If I just had to have the sights pinpointed I'd file them down but my 73 I'd have to cut the sight in half  to get it pinpointed but I just leave half of it sticking up over the rear sight. I guess I'm just lazy.

No not at all Hawg. I was doing that with the 58 Remmies till I got around to filing them down.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on April 07, 2019, 09:41:45 PM
Most Remingtons shoot high. Filing them down will make them shoot higher.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 09, 2019, 04:54:20 AM
Hi, the Traditions Kentucky flintlock rifle arrived yesterday. I must admit that the Traditions Kentucky is a handsome rifle much prettier than the Pedersoli Kentucky. Beautiful wood and brass, the fit and finish is excellent. One thing that the Pedersoli Kentucky has is a double set trigger. The Traditions is a crappy single stage with a lot of slop. Initially the trigger pull for the Traditions was very heavy. Inspection of the lock shows a screw that modifies the amount of sear engagement. That screw was adjusted to produce a nice light trigger pull for target shooting. If the rifle was used for hunting, one should have a heavier trigger pull.

One nice thing the Traditions Kentucky has over the Pedersoli is that the stock splits in two parts such that you can have ~5" of the rear of the barrel that is free of wood so that the barrel can be put in a shallow bucket of water for cleaning. That's really neat!

A flint has been mounted in the lock and the rifle is now ready to shoot.

I took a picture, but Flickr isn't letting me make a large image for posting. Hope they get it fixed soon.

Yesterday I also received a loading block that is now preloaded with ball and patch:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ball-Block-50-Caliber-Muzzle-Loading-Black-Powder-Muzzleloader-7011/323749977068?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

Another item useful as a ramrod guide for my 3/8" 7075 loading rod was purchased:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Treso-Ramrod-Guide-for-3-8-Diameter-Range-Rods-and-Ramrods-USA-Made-1123006-15/264255859735?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

I may get out to shoot this new rifle today.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 09, 2019, 07:55:04 AM
Hi, I got to shoot the new Traditions Kentucky flintlock today. Fired a couple of dozen shots without a single hitch. Groups from 25yds offhand were ~3" and right on poa. I think that the large group for a rifle was because of my flinching using a new gun. There seems to be a small delay, but longer than the Traditions Prairie flintlock. The Prairie fired instantaneously. I don't know why the difference. I was using Olde Eynsford in the Prairie, Graf's BP in the Kentucky. Is that the difference? I don't know. The Kentucky has been broken down for cleaning.

My Tradition and Pedersoli flintlocks are low cost flintlocks. A custom made flintlock would cost many time more than all of my current four low cost flintlock rifles. Low cost doesn't mean low performance. I am happy with them for casual shooting and will never look back.

The Traditions flintlocks are highly recommended.

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 10, 2019, 01:16:07 PM
Richard, I think you are correct in your assessment of low cost not meaning low performance. I would guess (don't really know for sure) that barrels and locks are all produced the same way for all the models. Whichever line is being made is supplied with parts from the stock on hand. If aesthetics are important then you can add well over $1000 to the cost of the parts to get a certain "school" rifle built, along with custom barrels and stock wood.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 10, 2019, 01:56:28 PM
Looky here what I found! I bought this on eBay (!) as a non-firing gun....the vent hole wasn't drilled. I did have to harden the frizzen also, as it was pretty soft. I made the sling, button and swivel for it. I will pay the ~$8.00 for a swivel before making another one! And yes, that is snow on our deck!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7828/32639140517_8efd65a30e_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 10, 2019, 01:57:43 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7845/33704705368_006ae5abca_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 10, 2019, 01:59:06 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7807/32639141987_d81d4afec5_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on April 10, 2019, 02:52:49 PM
Looks like a Bess to me?
Wow..what a steal!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 11, 2019, 08:16:04 AM
That's awesome Mazo! A blunderbuss, the original shotgun!

Is it made in India? I've seen posts elsewhere about the guns made in India that are "Non firing" replicas, but all they really need is the flash hole opened up. Something about easier to import if they can't fire.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 11, 2019, 08:23:53 AM
Hi mazo, that's a pretty neat blunderbuss. Let us know how it works out for you.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 11, 2019, 08:25:23 AM
Hi, flickr is working again. This is my new Traditions Kentucky flintlock:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7919/40620599503_1376a87c13_b.jpg)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 11, 2019, 09:23:37 AM
That's awesome Mazo! A blunderbuss, the original shotgun!
Is it made in India? I've seen posts elsewhere about the guns made in India that are "Non firing" replicas, but all they really need is the flash hole opened up. Something about easier to import if they can't fire.
Yes, made in India. A friend of mine got one shortly after I got mine and had a mutual friend (great gun builder/engraver) go over his. Had it stamped with correct stamps, reworked the stock, etc. Probably added more than twice as much to the original price. Mine did not have the touch hole drilled when I bought it. You are right, much easier and quicker to get a non-gun through import, maybe even export! I haven't fired mine much; the actual bore size is about 12 gauge.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 11, 2019, 01:15:43 PM
That's awesome Mazo! A blunderbuss, the original shotgun!
Is it made in India? I've seen posts elsewhere about the guns made in India that are "Non firing" replicas, but all they really need is the flash hole opened up. Something about easier to import if they can't fire.
Yes, made in India. A friend of mine got one shortly after I got mine and had a mutual friend (great gun builder/engraver) go over his. Had it stamped with correct stamps, reworked the stock, etc. Probably added more than twice as much to the original price. Mine did not have the touch hole drilled when I bought it. You are right, much easier and quicker to get a non-gun through import, maybe even export! I haven't fired mine much; the actual bore size is about 12 gauge.

I'm going to have to have a closer look at the India guns. They have some very interesting pieces at very reasonable prices. If you're willing to do a very small amount of work, you can have a good shootable gun at about half the cost.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Len on April 11, 2019, 01:29:41 PM
Mazo,
I had the table next to an old aquaintance at a gun show last year. He sold a couple of Bessies with no holes in the flash pan. He claimed they were made by the factory that made the originals. The replicas looked really good, and they were said to be good to shoot, just you drilled that hole.
From your pics I don't think yours is a Bessie (as someone suggested), too short and no typical knob on the fore stock.
Tell us more!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 13, 2019, 05:26:10 AM
Hi, one of things negative about the Traditions Kentucky flintlock I reported on before is the crappy single stage trigger. I narrowed the trigger pin clamp to reduced side to side movement. A light trigger spring was added to have the trigger against the lock. That allows for a better position trigger. Two small holes were drilled in the trigger plate to hold the spring. The trigger assembly with spring added:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7857/40632439143_bedd8563ff_b.jpg)

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 13, 2019, 10:31:05 AM
I wonder of something like that would help mine? The trigger in mine flops around all over the place. It lets off nicely but it's really rattly.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 13, 2019, 12:10:14 PM
I think it was on the CastBoolits forum that a post about how to make a single trigger operate much better. A lot has to do with the placement of the pivot pin. I have a Beck style rifle with a single trigger (my request) and it is nice and crisp. I just checked and the trigger fix is on the CastBoolits forum, it's a "sticky" in the Muzzleloader section. The photos were digested by the PhotoBucket fiasco and I have asked if they are still available. If I hear back, I will post here.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 13, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
Another flinter, this is a shortened Trade Gun I got in a trade a few years ago. It had originally been used by a re-enactor portraying an American Indian and was painted red. It is a 12 gauge
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 13, 2019, 12:16:08 PM
side plate
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 13, 2019, 12:17:03 PM
And the lock:
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 13, 2019, 09:13:40 PM
I think it was on the CastBoolits forum that a post about how to make a single trigger operate much better. A lot has to do with the placement of the pivot pin. I have a Beck style rifle with a single trigger (my request) and it is nice and crisp. I just checked and the trigger fix is on the CastBoolits forum, it's a "sticky" in the Muzzleloader section. The photos were digested by the PhotoBucket fiasco and I have asked if they are still available. If I hear back, I will post here.

Thanks for doing that Mazo. That's some good information to have.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on April 14, 2019, 10:46:48 AM
I would do some research before I bought an India made gun from Middlesex or Loyalist Arms. Just sayin.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on April 15, 2019, 02:57:35 PM
Back when I was active on the Muzzleloading forum, there was a lively debate over the safety of the India-made guns. I think most had to do with the DOM tubing used for the barrels. I have no actual knowledge of anyone who had a burst barrel. Proponents of the guns say that in most every case, the burst barrel was caused by operator error....successive unfired charges, barrel obstruction, etc. I have a friend who got one of the double flintlock shotguns. He had to do some work on it, but it shoots fine. Here is what one of the Canadian dealers has to say:
http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/muzzleloader_technical_info/educational_articles/musket_history_articles/Indian_muskets_and_safety.shtml
As with any gun, please be careful when loading!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 15, 2019, 08:39:01 PM
That was a very enlightening and entertaining read.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 17, 2019, 07:42:04 PM
Hi, I got to shoot my Pedersoli Kentucky flintlock today using black powder, not a substitute. Ignition of the main charge was almost instantaneous when pulling the trigger. This proves to me that only BP should be used for flintlocks.

Out of my four flintlock rifles, the Traditions Prairie Hawken flintlock is the fastest discharging rifle on trigger pull, instantaneous. I intend on shooting the Prairie tomorrow. The Prairie is also my most easily to clean flintlock.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 18, 2019, 04:38:37 AM
Hi, there is a difference in the final cock position on trigger pull between the Pedersoli and Tradition locks. Notice the final cock position of the Pedersoli Kentucky and Hawken lock:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32693233667_9a725b94cd_b.jpg)

and the final cock position of the Traditions Kentucky and Hawken:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47582878292_30a64c4727_b.jpg)

I think that the faster lock time for the Traditions rifles compared to the Pedersoli is that the flint final position of the Traditions is much closer to the open pan. IMO that directs the hammer sparks more efficiently.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: scooby on April 19, 2019, 07:35:17 PM
This topic draws a pure interest from me. Flintlocks have never gained much attention on this forum, and rightfully so, given that it is a Colt based forum. However, my current interest in all historical firearms began with the flintlock, even before I got out of high school. I have spent quite some time on the study of them.

Initially, I intended to gather up my flintlocks for a group photo just for this thread, but then decided that I already had good pics of all of them scattered throughout my archives. So with that, I will post up some pics of them in order to continue the current participation.

Here are pics of two different "Schimmel" style flinters. They are also sometimes refered to as "Barn Guns." The term comes from rifle gunnes built with minimal furnature or carving. In other words, a rifle made for the working class. Some even lacked a butt plate. Most had no fore end enty pipe, nose cap, side plate, or toe plate. As well, most had minimal to no incise or relief carving on the wood.

The term Schimmel comes from German and Dutch origin. From there, the term can be traced to the gunsmiths from the Pennsylvania regions. As it is with the development of the American Long Rifle, there is always some speculation due to lack of documentation, minimal survival rate of original pieces, and the wide spread development and implemantation of the craft. Regardless, there is no other firearm that deserves more respect from us than the American Long rifle, regardless of the embellishment, or lack of, nor the region where such piece originated.

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Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 19, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
OMG Scooby! Those are gorgeous! I'd be proud to call any one of those mine.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 20, 2019, 04:42:52 AM
Hi scooby, they're beautiful rifles. I especially like the simplicity of the plain-jane rifle (no patchbox). Tell us more about them, barrel length and caliber? Is the wood curly maple? Do you shoot them?

Thanks for the photos.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: scooby on April 21, 2019, 10:48:25 AM
Barrel length on first one is 44 in. Second is 42 in. Both are fifty cal. Curly Maple wood. I do shoot them.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 22, 2019, 08:59:49 AM
Hi, today I went out and shot my Traditions Kentucky flintlock today a couple of dozen times. Not long ago I learned that for instantaneous ignition real black powder should be used. Using Black Mz alone has an ignition delay. Today I tried loading 10gr of Olde Eynsford first followed by 40gr of Black Mz. 4f Swiss was used for the pan. Using the duplex loading had the rifle fire instantaneously with the bore left with almost no fouling. Accuracy was excellent and the 24th loading was as easy to load as a clean bore.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: scooby on April 28, 2019, 08:42:32 AM
This nice piece is a 20 gauge French Type C Fusil Fin made by Caywood. I picked it up from a gentleman years ago at a Montana Rendezvouse. He decided that rifled barrels were more to his liking. It came into my possesion just as you see in the pics. I like to shoot it on occasion at muzzleloader shoots. It is light as a feather and easier to shoot than a regular smoothbore, given that it has a rear sight. The bore is as smooth as glass and Caywood sells a very good lock.

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Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on April 28, 2019, 09:43:30 AM
Hi scooby, that is a beautiful flintlock. I also appreciated the great photos you post. Your photo background adds a lot to the firearm presentation. I wish I had just a tenth of your photography skills.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 28, 2019, 12:08:38 PM
That's a gorgeous flintlock Scooby.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: scooby on May 03, 2019, 08:06:25 AM
Here is a look at a Chambers smooth rifle. It has a 46 inch smooth bore barrel in 28 gauge, stocked in Maple, with an early style, round faced English pattern lock. A buddy from Montana did the assembly work from the kit and then I did the finish work. It has taken a couple of turkeys with shot and I plan to take a deer with a round ball sometime.

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Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on May 03, 2019, 08:21:38 AM
Hi scooby, beautiful rifle/shotgun. Thanks for posting the great photos. We are currently in the Spring Turkey season, but the spring hunting safety issues keeps me from spring hunting. We get idiots from Buffalo that hunt spring turkey. I have been out waiting against a tree in the woods and have had hunters walk within a couple of feet of me. They don't see me and I don't dare say anything because doing so will have the shotgun muzzles turned in my direction. Spring turkey hunting here requires sitting and calling. I much prefer fall turkey hunting where I walk and can jump turkey flocks. I'm looking forward to taking a turkey with flintlock hoping that a 50 caliber ball doesn't destroy too much meat. Maybe try to shoot them in the head or legs.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on May 03, 2019, 09:11:52 AM
Scooby, you have the most beautiful guns. And the photography is always amazing. Thanks for sharing it all with us. I never tire of looking at your pictures.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on May 03, 2019, 09:18:12 AM
That one is a looker, Scoob. Thanks for sharing. Tiger maple always gets me to dreaming.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: scooby on May 03, 2019, 09:34:32 PM
Our turkey season is open also, but I have not had the urge to go. I listened to two toms gobbling on the roost just at dark this very evening. At one time, I really loved to sit and call in toms. I have killed a ton of them. I do not have to worry about other hunters in the spring out here. This country is full of savy fellers and few tar heels, so it is plenty safe. I like to hunt them in the fall just as well, but I often call them in as well during that time of year just as I do in the spring.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Electric Miner on May 09, 2019, 03:12:50 PM
My favorite flintlock. A Searles short-barreled fowler in 20 ga. It uses a Colerain barrel, and an L&R Queen Anne lock set.

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Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on May 09, 2019, 04:17:06 PM
That's a gorgemous fowler EM.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on May 09, 2019, 06:25:44 PM
EM, that thing is gorgeous!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on May 09, 2019, 07:53:44 PM
I'll third that EM! Beautiful!!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on May 11, 2019, 03:45:06 AM
Hi Electric, beautiful gun. Do you shoot it?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Electric Miner on May 15, 2019, 04:02:48 PM
Thanks, guys. Yes, I do shoot it. I intend to take it out on my next shooting trip. I'll get pics and maybe vid.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Len on May 18, 2019, 08:57:43 AM
Not long guns, but still flinters. Both are originals.
French .56 barrel length 9". Lots of gilded stamps and intarsia of silver and gold. Very gaudy. Shoots fine.
English .60 barrel length 8". London proof marks. Lock signed "Griffin". Also shoots fine.
Shot both today using stuff I got from DD4 a month ago (lubed patches, Arkansas flint, cleaning brushes, bore butter etc.)
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Len on May 18, 2019, 09:02:55 AM
Next picture
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on May 18, 2019, 09:34:01 AM
Hi Len, those are really neat!!

Do you know how old they are? What loadings do you use?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Len on May 18, 2019, 10:01:06 AM
Hello Richard,
they are late 18th century or maybe the very start of the 19th. So, pretty much yearlings with the US constitution. I load 15 grains, which I find good enough for 15 to 20 yards. Would not want to overstress them. I once tried 30 grains, but the recoil was harder than I wanted them to endure. I think the barrels will take it, but the walnut gets a bit brittle after all those years. I haven't made up my mind yet, about whether they are pistols or pieces of art. Great fun shooting them though.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on May 18, 2019, 10:25:12 AM
Those are beautiful Len! And originals too. Very cool.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Len on May 18, 2019, 10:47:12 AM
I won the French beauty at a net auction. Payed $375. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on May 18, 2019, 04:50:07 PM
I like both of them. I don't think you paid too much.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on July 03, 2019, 09:38:33 AM
Hi, I was looking at Dixie Gun Works sales and couldn't let this Pedersoli Kentucky flintlock pistol sale ($350) go by:

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/8400/product_name/FH0935+Pedersoli+Kentucky+Pistol+-+Flint+.50+Caliber

Looking forward to shooting this new flintlock.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on July 03, 2019, 09:43:37 AM
It's a Pedersoli...should shoot nice!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on July 03, 2019, 04:27:21 PM
Agreed, Pedersoli makes very serviceable firearms. I also just remembered some more flintlocks I haven't posted before. Will be getting them out of the basement as soon as I can negotiate the stairs carrying guns L@.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on July 09, 2019, 03:53:26 AM
Hi, the Pedersoli Kentucky flintlock pistol arrived yesterday. It is a beauty, very well fitted and nicely made. The pistol even came with a fitted french flint. The only negative thing I have found so far is that the trigger pull is very heavy. I'll have to see what I can do about it. Some photos:

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on July 10, 2019, 08:55:12 AM
That looks very nice!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on July 10, 2019, 09:25:23 AM
Shoot it yet, Richard? _*&
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on July 10, 2019, 10:16:40 AM
Shoot it yet, Richard? _*&

Hi Kirk, not yet, still working over the parts. The trigger top and lock lever has been stoned smooth as glass. The trigger pull is still too heavy for my liking, but now operates much smoother. The trick to lighten the trigger pull is to narrow the sear spring. I have one of those springs on backorder from VTI.

Since I now have three Pedersoli flintlocks that use exactly the same lock, I ordered a new replacement lock for parts if ever needed:

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/8170/product_name/LK1105+PEDERSOLI+FLINT+LOCK

With sear springs over $20 and main spring $75 with corresponding higher parts price for other replacement lock parts, the new lock will cover any future need for lower cost, an investment.

The front of the muzzle is in the white, I'm going to cold blue it.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on July 13, 2019, 08:16:26 AM
Hi, some people are just crazy, the tactical flintlock pistol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgCsE1glfG0

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on July 14, 2019, 08:49:18 AM
Hi, shot the .50 Pedersoli Kentucky flintlock pistol this morning. Shot it a number of times two handed from 25ys, it produced ~3" groups. The lock time is instantaneous using a duplex loading. The trigger is still too heavy, but once fixed I suspect my group size would shrink. I was using a duplex loading, first 15gr Olde Eynsford followed by 30gr of Black Mz. The Olde Eynsford ignites quickly, the Black Mz maintains a non-fouled bore. A 0.010 lubed patch and 0.490" ball was used. That loading really had my steel targets scream.

This pistol is begging for a double set trigger. Finding one that would fit won't be easy.

All in all, this $350 Pedersoli Kentucky pistol is quite a bargain and a joy to shoot. It will also display well on a wall.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on July 16, 2019, 11:04:48 AM
Hi, I narrowed the sear spring. It helped some, but the trigger pull is still too heavy. The new Pedersoli lock arrived and it is exactly the same lock as all my Pedersoli flintlocks. To remove the main hammer spring a mainspring tool is required. I ordered that tool:

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/1038/1/TOOL-VISE-DX

I will narrow the mainspring to produce a lighter trigger pull.

Owning flintlocks is a bottomless cash pit.  :o

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on July 16, 2019, 11:30:26 AM
Hi, I narrowed the sear spring. It helped some, but the trigger pull is still too heavy. The new Pedersoli lock arrived and it is exactly the same lock as all my Pedersoli flintlocks. To remove the main hammer spring a mainspring tool is required. I ordered that tool:

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/1038/1/TOOL-VISE-DX

I will narrow the mainspring to produce a lighter trigger pull.

Owning flintlocks is a bottomless cash pit.  :o

Regards,
Richard

I wouldn't know (yet)
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on July 18, 2019, 09:29:36 AM
Hi, I did a more polishing of the lock parts and narrowed the sear spring a little more. Lubriplate was applied to the lock parts with good result. I now have the trigger pull down to a smooth 8.5lbs, much better than the original rough 19+lbs. A double set trigger would be the perfect solution to have a light trigger pull, but I have yet to find a double set trigger that will fit.

BTW, the Pedersoli Kentucky flintlock pistol price has been raised $150 from the $350 sale price. My wife always told me that timing was everything.  &\? &\? &\?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on August 11, 2019, 09:38:24 AM
Hi, some long range flintlock rifle shooting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPMoGPu7ngc

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ShotgunDave on August 11, 2019, 12:53:00 PM
It took a little Kentucky Windage but he got it.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on August 14, 2019, 03:24:55 PM
Hi, after a long time being out, Track of the Wolf now has french flints back in stock:

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Search.aspx?search=french%20amber%20flint

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 26, 2019, 02:34:54 PM
I'm pretty good for French Amber flints; I bought 2 dozen a few years ago when they were ~$20.00 a dozen. Also bought a dozen hand-knapped chirt flints from a guy in Missouri, plus several English flints. Should be good into the next century!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 26, 2019, 02:38:59 PM
I was wandering the catacombs in my basement....oh, wait that's a different story! Anyway, here is the very first flintlock I purchased...a Scottish ram-horn butt all metal pistol.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 26, 2019, 02:44:36 PM
And the left side:
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on August 26, 2019, 02:45:11 PM
A double set trigger would be the perfect solution to have a light trigger pull, but I have yet to find a double set trigger that will fit.

Regards,
Richard

You will also have to have a lock with a fly.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 26, 2019, 02:52:26 PM
I'll bet a single-set trigger would work (assuming you find the lock with a fly), as they are a lot smaller in size. I have one, I think it was made by Cain.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 26, 2019, 02:55:30 PM
And then, there is this li'l gal. I think it has to be maybe the smallest flintlock lock I have seen. This is original with silver furniture...butt cap, trigger guard, entry pipe and ramrod tip.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 26, 2019, 03:00:25 PM
The lock:
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 26, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
'Nuther one. I bought this  a while ago, don't think it has been fired. Probably built from a kit judging from the fit of the furniture. Not marked as to maker or date code.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 26, 2019, 03:05:05 PM
Left side
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on August 26, 2019, 06:17:58 PM
'Nuther one. I bought this  a while ago, don't think it has been fired. Probably built from a kit judging from the fit of the furniture. Not marked as to maker or date code.

CVA Colonial made in Spain. I had one.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 26, 2019, 07:11:12 PM
I thought it had the CVA/Jukar look to it.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on August 27, 2019, 09:36:28 AM
Hi mazo, neat looking pistols!! I would love to spend just one day in your basement.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Captainkirk on August 27, 2019, 12:12:41 PM
Mazo, I would almost go so far as to call those little flinters "cute".
Almost...
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 27, 2019, 12:45:27 PM
Thanks guys! Next up.... A Johnson Mdl. 1836 military pistol; this is the second contract  and made in 1840. So marked on the lock plate. This was rather aggressively "cleaned" when I got it (wire brush?) and missing the hammer. I do have a repro hammer, just haven't got a round tuit.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 27, 2019, 12:57:12 PM
Keep tripping over these guys....this is a repro 1803 Harper's Ferry pistol. There were a number of makers/importers for this style pistol. They all seem to be based on the British Tower or Sea Pistol. This one has the brass band around the forestock so that makes it the Harper's Ferry?
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 27, 2019, 12:58:26 PM
Right side view
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 27, 2019, 01:02:45 PM
And a couple of the Tower pistols. The dark stained one is one I re-shaped a bit and used my home-made walnut stain on. This one is a Japanese gun, imported by EIG.  The lighter one is not marked as to maker or date. Supposedly the Japanese guns were looked down on as not well made, but this one sparks like crazy!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 27, 2019, 01:03:43 PM
Left side views
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on August 27, 2019, 09:56:06 PM
And a couple of the Tower pistols. The dark stained one is one I re-shaped a bit and used my home-made walnut stain on. This one is a Japanese gun, imported by EIG.  The lighter one is not marked as to maker or date. Supposedly the Japanese guns were looked down on as not well made, but this one sparks like crazy!

DGW sold a buttload of those back in the 70's for IIRC $30.00 and for another $10.00 they would tune the locks so they would spark. Maybe you got a tuned one. Most of them were made by Miroku for Ultra Hi. Miroku back in the day made guns to customers specs. If the customer wanted cheap junk that's what they got and most of the Japanese Towers fell into that category. I'm not knocking your gun. If it works that's great. :-*
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Pustic on August 28, 2019, 12:05:35 PM
Here's three of my rifles. I have more, but no pictures of them, yet.
All three rifles are Pedersoli's, and the hand gun is a Pedersoli.
The top rifle is a .45 cal. kit gun that I built. The other two are .50 cal.
The pistol is a .45 cal. kit gun that I also built.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 28, 2019, 03:00:06 PM
And a couple of the Tower pistols. The dark stained one is one I re-shaped a bit and used my home-made walnut stain on. This one is a Japanese gun, imported by EIG.  The lighter one is not marked as to maker or date. Supposedly the Japanese guns were looked down on as not well made, but this one sparks like crazy!

DGW sold a buttload of those back in the 70's for IIRC $30.00 and for another $10.00 they would tune the locks so they would spark. Maybe you got a tuned one. Most of them were made by Miroku for Ultra Hi. Miroku back in the day made guns to customers specs. If the customer wanted cheap junk that's what they got and most of the Japanese Towers fell into that category. I'm not knocking your gun. If it works that's great. :-*
I bought one as a kit from Dixie for ~$19.00 back then. Sold it (finished) a few years later for $45 to a friend who wanted a second one for the "duels" he was running at our rendezvous. I actually don't remember if I hardened the frizzens on these, have had them for many years. If they didn't spark when I got them, then I hardened them.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: mazo kid on August 28, 2019, 03:03:10 PM
Here's three of my rifles. I have more, but no pictures of them, yet.
All three rifles are Pedersoli's, and the hand gun is a Pedersoli.
The top rifle is a .45 cal. kit gun that I built. The other two are .50 cal.
The pistol is a .45 cal. kit gun that I also built.
Nice collection Pustic!
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Hawg on August 28, 2019, 05:11:39 PM
Here's three of my rifles. I have more, but no pictures of them, yet.
All three rifles are Pedersoli's, and the hand gun is a Pedersoli.
The top rifle is a .45 cal. kit gun that I built. The other two are .50 cal.
The pistol is a .45 cal. kit gun that I also built.
Nice collection Pustic!

Yep nice collection.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Pustic on August 28, 2019, 05:25:03 PM
Here's three of my rifles. I have more, but no pictures of them, yet.
All three rifles are Pedersoli's, and the hand gun is a Pedersoli.
The top rifle is a .45 cal. kit gun that I built. The other two are .50 cal.
The pistol is a .45 cal. kit gun that I also built.
Nice collection Pustic!

Thank you Mazo.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: Pustic on August 28, 2019, 05:29:17 PM
Here's three of my rifles. I have more, but no pictures of them, yet.
All three rifles are Pedersoli's, and the hand gun is a Pedersoli.
The top rifle is a .45 cal. kit gun that I built. The other two are .50 cal.
The pistol is a .45 cal. kit gun that I also built.
Nice collection Pustic!

Yep nice collection.

Thank you Hawg.
Title: Re: Show us your flintlocks
Post by: ssb73q on September 11, 2019, 08:07:14 AM
Hi, Mike shoots the Pedersoli Queen Ann:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAjOnNufato

Regards,
Richard