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Title: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 16, 2019, 06:28:52 PM
I know my way isn't historically correct, but it's easy and makes loading convenient. Hope it's helpful and you enjoy it.


https://youtu.be/mg99pl8g6Ww
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ssb73q on February 17, 2019, 03:50:22 AM
Hi Dave, that's a very informative video on how to make paper cartridges. I have tried making paper cartridges a number of times, but always fail to get good results. I don't know if it is just large thumbs, being a klutz. or just stupid is the reason. Your video gives me hope to try your method and get useful results. Thanks for the video.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 17, 2019, 03:05:29 PM
Thanks Richard. I hope it helps!

Believe me, I have big sausage fingers and I am able to do it. The wood mandrel really helps make it easier. Please let me know if you try it and how it works out.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: drobs on February 17, 2019, 07:10:18 PM
Nice video. This is another thing on my to do list.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ssb73q on February 18, 2019, 04:22:49 AM
Hi Dave, what appeals to me about your method is that the paper doesn't need to be precut to a shape. Have you also made paper cartridges for your .36 revolvers? Other than the mandrel size, is anything else required? Do you use the same size paper?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 18, 2019, 08:13:24 AM
Nice video. This is another thing on my to do list.

Thanks drobs, I hope you find it helpful.


Hi Dave, what appeals to me about your method is that the paper doesn't need to be precut to a shape. Have you also made paper cartridges for your .36 revolvers? Other than the mandrel size, is anything else required? Do you use the same size paper?

Regards,
Richard

Richard, that's why I like this method as well. Most of the other methods floating around out there, require a pre-cut paper and end cap for the cartridge. Now I have to admit, they look fantastic. Neat and tidy. But this method functions just as well. And you could use a conical instead of a ball and it would work exactly the same.

For .36 caliber cartridges, the only difference is the mandrel. Besides the ball and wad size of course. I use the same paper and roll it exactly the same. The mandrel is sized as follows: The small end is .300" The taper runs up the dowel 1.15" and it's .380" diameter at that point. That makes a paper tube big enough for 20 grains of 3f powder and a wad plus the projectile. As with the .44 cartridge, you can leave the wad out if you don't desire it. The cartridge in this photo has no wad in it.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7912/33260473758_5f08d9f894_z.jpg)

I've had zero problems with ignition of my cartridges. I'm sure that they rip open upon being rammed into the chamber, which fully exposes the powder to the ignition flash. I do get a few leftover ashes in the chambers sometimes. I believe it's the glue. If you put a little too much on the paper, it doesn't allow it to burn completely. I am going to experiment with some other glue, such as paste to try and eliminate leftovers in the chamber. But it's really not a big deal and it's not every shot. Most of the time they burn completely or the offending ash is blown out the barrel.

Hope that helps Richard.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ssb73q on February 19, 2019, 07:24:41 AM
Hi Dave, thanks for the information. I don't have any correct diameter wood dowels, but do have brass rods that were used for the forms. This is a photo of the brass forms ready to go:

The wood form at the bottom was made for .44 caliber years ago. However, all I managed to do with it was to stick my fingers together. Maybe your method will work better for me.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 19, 2019, 09:54:41 AM
Richard, I like the brass mandrels. I want to make a set of those myself. Just need to find the correct diameter brass. The wood mandrels do the job just fine, but eventually they're going to wear out. Well, not really wear out, but they will get glue on them and they are harder to clean than a brass one would be. Plus, the brass ones just look nicer.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ssb73q on February 20, 2019, 07:30:30 AM
Hi Dave, I was successful using your method to make paper cartridges. Didn't even get glue on my fingers! These are the paper cones after forming:

These are the paper cartridges I made. I used my 30gr flask with Black Mz powder and cast 0.454" balls. No lube was used because Black Mz is supposed to make its own lube:

This photo shows the cartridges loaded into capandball's cartridge boxes:

The paper cartridges drop nicely into the chambers of my 1860's and should work well. However, I will probably never use them because I mostly shoot preloaded extra cylinders or conversion cylinder rounds.

I want to thank you for the information necessary for me to check making paper cartridges off my bucket list.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 20, 2019, 08:40:18 AM
Well done Richard! Excellent work!

I'm glad I could help in some small way.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: scooby on February 20, 2019, 09:57:34 AM
Good work Dave and Richard. Those will work perfect. I enjoy making paper cartridges almost as much as I do shooting them. However, I do it the slow way with conicals. I just might go to making them with round balls like you men.

Excellent post and I thought your video was top notch Dave.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 20, 2019, 11:34:20 AM
Thank you for the kind words Scooby. They are greatly appreciated.

I have a mandrel made up, to construct my carts as you do. I really love the way they look. I just don't have any conicals to roll that way. I am going to get involved with casting my own very soon, and the Johnston and Dow mold is first on my list. We are currently living in an apartment, so I have been reluctant to dive into casting. But I have a nice patio with a generous sized storage closet that I've converted to my "gun room". My reloading equipment is now set up on a portable bench, so I am going to get everything together for casting and put it on my bench too. I've read many of your posts on paper cartridge making, and I'm going to get busy!
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: Captainkirk on February 20, 2019, 11:57:57 AM
Do your casting outside. Ask me how I know... ;)
I enjoyed your video as well. You cut right to the chase and made it sweet and simple. I'm half tempted to give it a whirl myself, though I thoroughly enjoy loading on the bench. (My BP shooting range has very large loading tables available along with a bunch of loading stands for use at no charge)
Your method might be quite handy for woods-walking. I think I may give it a try.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: scooby on February 20, 2019, 01:07:23 PM
Say the word Dave, and I will cast up some Johnston & Dow bullets for you and send them your way. You can try them out and see if you like them befor you invest in the moulds. I can also send some original heel based conicals from the old mould that I am currently using.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ShotgunDave on February 20, 2019, 04:58:35 PM
Thanks Capt. I appreciate it!

Thank you for the great offer Scooby. I would love some of those bullets to try. Please tell me what I owe you for some, and I'll gladly send some gold your way.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ssb73q on May 10, 2019, 08:02:37 AM
Hi, an alternate to paper cartridges?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=likNPNKHNcM

The tubes from Dixie Gun Works:

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/6775/category_chain/578,349,333/product_name/XA5220+Dixie+Quick+Load+Target+Tube+-+.44+-+.50+Caliber

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ShotgunDave on May 10, 2019, 09:14:35 AM
Hmmm. Looks pretty much the same as the little tubes that some fellas use. They're put together with clear tubing available at Lowes and places like that. Same basic principle.

You still have to open the tube, squeeze out the contents, pour the powder, push in the wad, seat the bullet, then ram it all home. Still sounds like a lot more fiddling than just dropping in a paper cartridge and ramming it down. So to me, these aren't really a cartridge per se, more of convenient way to carry the components. But I will concede that humidity plays a part in whether a paper cartridge is best in any given situation.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: Captainkirk on May 10, 2019, 10:10:51 AM
I have a couple of tubes (with snap-open tops) for my .50 cal hunting loads for the trade rifle. They came in handy once when it was raining cats and dogs, also much easier than dragging around a powder flask, balls, patches and such when you are hunting, esp. stand hunting.
But for general range use, naw. Too much monkey motion.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: G Dog on May 10, 2019, 10:52:25 AM
Ö an alternate to paper cartridges?:

No. Iíve tried that. Sure, they work, but no. Loading tubes, unloading tubes, packing empties is a duplication of steps, time and effort.  Just another way to carry stuff. 

A ready-to-go paper cart is way mo betta for field or range. 

Blackie is a good dude and a valuable resource.  I like his vids. 
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: Captainkirk on May 16, 2019, 10:03:47 AM
I stickied this as well, Dave.
A 'Must-Watch' video for anyone considering rollin' their own. And in fact, this has convinced me to try it.
Title: Re: How I make paper cartridges. A video
Post by: ShotgunDave on May 16, 2019, 01:43:03 PM
Thanks Capt.

I feel honored. Two stickies in one day!!

I'm just glad that my small contribution is helpful.