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Title: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 03, 2019, 10:54:38 AM
Hi, Midway USA has a pretty good price for the Pietta 1851 gated conversion cylinder:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/711510/howell-old-west-conversions-gated-conversion-cylinder-36-caliber-pietta-1851-1861-navy-steel-frame-black-powder-revolver-38-colt-long-colt-6-round-blue

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 04, 2019, 05:21:47 AM
Hi, when Midway USA has an item on sale it is useful to keep watching it. They start will a low discount and then increase the discount as time goes on without selling to their desired inventory level. They do this for both Uberti revolvers and Howell conversion cylinders. $50 off a conversion cylinders is a good deal IMO.

I already have a gated conversion 1851, but looking to use this new conversion cylinder as a late winter project. I have the Pietta "old silver" 1851 that is now just a safe queen. Doing a conversion on it may prove interesting. I already installed a taller front sight that was sighted in using non gated conversion cylinder. The "old silver":

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4646/39445826062_10314f32e6_b.jpg)

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4728/38767634494_e83de856ff_b.jpg)

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4735/27761703869_8e72afd8ac_b.jpg)

The only thing I'm concerned about is using a blued gated conversion cylinder in a silver looking 1851. Do you think that a blued conversion cylinder is compatible with a silver gun?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: Captainkirk on March 04, 2019, 05:33:38 AM
I'm thinking if I did that, I would probably strip the bluing.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 04, 2019, 07:53:26 AM
+1 on what the Capt said.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 04, 2019, 08:05:01 AM
Hi, I kind of agree with you guys, strip the bluing and polish the gated conversion cylinder. This is a photo of the "old silver" with a drop-in conversion cylinder just to see how that combo would look:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7887/46556543674_06b0531086_b.jpg)

My concern on stripping the bluing from the gated conversion cylinder is if the bare steel will age like the revolver "old silver" finish. I will also need to deal with a blued ejector rod.

Rather than screw up the "old silver" 1851, maybe I should just install the gated conversion in a blued Pietta, have some of those.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 04, 2019, 08:10:23 AM
It's just my taste but, I never cared for the "two tone" look.

I would say that, the way you take care of your guns, that the cylinder probably won't age much at all. Once you strip and polish it, it will keep it's sheen, because of the loving care you lavish on your guns.

What exactly is the "Old Silver" finish? Is it a coating of some kind? Plating? Or just white metal polished?
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 04, 2019, 08:25:25 AM
Hi Dave, I'm still not sure what "Old Silver" finish is. Pietta told me it's a polished hardened steel finish. From recent replies to my emails from Pietta, I'm not sure anything they tell me is true. This is a thread were we tried to find out what is "Old Silver" finish:

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2679.msg27146.html#msg27146

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 04, 2019, 09:20:50 AM
Thanks Richard. I read though that whole thread. Seems like there's not much of anything on the metal, since you were able to blue it.

I think it's a safe bet that if you strip and polish the conversion cylinder, it will age at very close to the same rate as the gun itself. If it were mine, I'd be inclined to go for it.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 04, 2019, 09:41:21 AM
Hi Dave, I guess that I could also nickel plate the cylinder like I did with one of my Walker cylinders:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7915/47228640672_7d3cb2e6e9_b.jpg)

Original Walker cylinders were "in the white". I suspect they were concerned on doing a negative heat treating if bluing on Walker cylinders that had issues with blowing up.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 04, 2019, 10:17:07 AM
Wow, that looks great Richard. I'm sure it probably looks different in person but, that cylinder in your Walker looks like a dead ringer for the finish on your Navy. Nice work on the plating.

Seems you have a few options. Strip the conversion and polish it. If it doesn't look quite right, you could plate it. Either way I think it's going to look good.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 04, 2019, 10:29:55 AM
Hi Dave, I ordered the Kirst ejector for the Pietta 1851. Instead of screwing around with stripping bluing I have two potential blued Pietta 1851s that can be considered for a gated conversion:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7905/47281007151_efeb9a0961_b.jpg)

I already have a gated conversion for a Pietta like the upper revolver, christened by Captainkirk Tuco. The bottom 1851 is the square back. The square back looks cool, but feels weird in the hand. Notice the difference in the Pietta grips. I really like the Pietta tail in the upper 1851 because it handles well. Either one will need to have a taller dovetail front sight added.

What would you guys select for a gated conversion?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 04, 2019, 10:37:08 AM
Richard, you are the master of gated conversions, so I will enjoy watching you do another one, no matter which gun you choose!

I am not a fan of the square back trigger guard. So I will cast my vote for the upper one.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: Captainkirk on March 04, 2019, 11:05:22 AM
Richard, the bottom one with the SB trigger guard and more HC grip profile is my choice (that, and just to be the polar opposite of Shotgun Dave)
Looks like we're tied. C'mon, fellers, get your vote in!
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 05, 2019, 04:34:57 AM
Hi, based on the overwhelming response to the conversion poll, we have a tie.   ;) ;)

Therefore, the Pietta 1851 revolver to be used for the Howell gated conversion cylinder will be "Old Silver".

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 05, 2019, 08:22:21 AM
Hi, the "Old Silver" frame has been drilled and tapped to mount the Howell gated conversion cylinder. It was also drilled to install the Ruger hand spring mod. Gouging out the loading port comes next. If anyone is interested Howell has the drilling and tapping jig on sale for $35:

https://www.howellarms.com/parts/drill-fixture-for-gated-conversion-kit

I kind of kick myself for ordering a new Kirst ejector for this project since I found a spare Pietta 1851 Kirst ejector in my spare parts box.

These conversion projects are always fun.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 05, 2019, 08:39:54 AM
This is great news. I was looking forward to your conversion of Old Silver and was a little bummed when you were considering the blued gun instead. I'm watching with great interest.

Are the ejector parts blued steel too? If so, maybe you could strip and polish those too.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 05, 2019, 09:48:49 AM
Hi Dave, I'm going to fit everything up with the cylinder and ejector blued. See what the two-tone revolver looks like. If it looks weird, I will strip the bluing and polish the cylinder and ejector steel. I'm into my afternoon scotch so will gouge out the loading port with my Dremel tomorrow morning. Will then take and post some photos.

BTW, when I removed the screws of the "Old Silver" I noticed that all of the screws are blued, but the face of the screws are in the white. When drilling the holes in the "Old Silver" I didn't detect any hardness on the frame. It was like free machining steel. I think the surface treatment is just a high polish. IMO hardened steel is just Pietta BS.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 05, 2019, 02:56:59 PM
"I'm into my afternoon scotch". A man after my own heart.  )l_

I'll be interested to see the two tone effect. I don't usually like it, but I'll keep an open mind.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 06, 2019, 09:26:19 AM
Hi, I started to gouge out the gated cylinder loading port. I have a lot more to go and will do the finally gouging with the cylinder back plate installed. That gives a smooth path for the cartridges. The initial gouging:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7801/46577845934_9e31075be4_b.jpg)

The cylinder back plate mounting holes drilled and tapped 6-32:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7898/46577845884_3be36654ff_b.jpg)

The back of the frame showing the drilled and reamed hole for the Ruger handspring mod:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7885/46386202475_dce97c4c62_b.jpg)

The Kirst Pietta 1851 ejector fitted to the barrel:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7923/46577845824_295b25ce04_b.jpg)

It's scotch time, so no more port gouging until tomorrow.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 06, 2019, 10:08:14 AM
Coming along nicely Richard.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: Dellbert on March 06, 2019, 10:40:42 AM
Boy Richard, I like that Colt 51 Old Silver. Can't wait to see the gun when you get it all put together.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: Captainkirk on March 06, 2019, 10:58:43 AM
Looking good, Richard.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 07, 2019, 04:58:39 AM
Hi, thanks guys.

Second to a warm gun is a warm Dremel.  &\? &\? &\?

It will be a couple of days before the Howell gated conversion cylinder arrives so that the loading gate opening can be finished. The loading lever latch dovetailed into the barrel still needs to be ground down.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 07, 2019, 08:47:44 AM
I am going to build one of these conversions for myself. When I do, I'm going to lop the end of the barrel off and do away with the dovetail altogether. It just makes the gun's lines flow better to my eye.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 07, 2019, 09:18:24 AM
Hi Dave, the dovetail loading lever latch was ground down and polished:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7906/33434712798_4b0853f5d9_b.jpg)

I like to keep my conversions as unmodified as possible if someone in the future would like to return the revolver to C&B. The increased in size loading port could then be considered an enhanced cap loading port.  )lI

These are my already converted revolvers:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7920/33434791748_bcf62af708_b.jpg)

IMO those filled in loading lever dovetails don't look too bad, I even like the look as it balances the tall sight.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: BOOMSTICK BRUCE on March 07, 2019, 07:18:50 PM
Dang Richard! Those are some beautiful shooting irons!!! Good job!!!
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 08, 2019, 06:32:44 AM
Hi, fitting a Kirst ejector can be a royal PITA. Many times the main mounting hole doesn't line up. The other issues are that it is difficult to get the ejector parallel to the bore and having it stay put. Assuming you can get the ejector mounted, a solution to the other problem of keeping the ejector parallel and having it stay put is to put a couple of push/push set screws into the ejector. This photo shows the ejector with 6-32 push/push screws, 3/16" long forward, 3/8" aft:

The Kirst instructions suggests using shims. IMO that's a terrible solution that makes rigidity and disassembly for cleaning difficult.

Howell instructions says that mounting the gated conversion cylinder requires that the hammer face be shortened and the hammer safety slot filled in with JB Weld. That has been done. Tomorrow the gated conversion cylinder should arrive. A couple more days and the "Old Silver" will be ready to shoot.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 08, 2019, 08:26:51 AM
Simple, yet ingenious. Go Richard, go!
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: Captainkirk on March 08, 2019, 09:37:35 AM
Richard, you are a true craftsman.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 10, 2019, 04:44:47 AM
Hi, thanks for the kind comments. The loading port of the Old Silver has been completed. The port has been polished to look similar to the outside of the revolver:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7893/32394753357_3bd68340ee_b.jpg)

The conversion cylinder back plate was fitted to the frame and tested to see if cartridges could be easily loaded and ejected. It's perfect. The only remaining issue is that the cylinder binds when the wedge is hammered in tight. The cylinder length needs to be shortened by a  few thousandths to provide a correct cylinder/barrel gap. I could just shorten the forcing cone end of the barrel, but want to keep the revolver reversible to C&B.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 10, 2019, 09:37:32 AM
Hi, the 38 Colt/38 Special conversion to the Pietta "Old Silver" 1851 is done:

The cylinder was shortened ~0.005", the barrel/cylinder gap is now 0.0015". While I did the Ruger hand spring mod, the hand needed to be shortened ~0.010" to have the revolver cycle properly.

I kind of like the two-tone of silver and blue. Do you?

In the future if I get tired of the two-tone look, I could either strip the bluing, or nitre blue the whole revolver. Niter bluing produces a very handsome finish, like charcoal bluing:

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2724.msg27590.html#msg27590

As soon as the weather breaks, this revolver gets a thorough work out. My steel targets are already shaking.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 10, 2019, 10:39:45 AM
I initially stated that I don't like two tone revolvers. But I gotta say, that looks pretty darn nice. And like you say, you can always go a different route later if you tire of this look.

Nice work Richard.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: tljack on March 10, 2019, 05:52:54 PM
Hi, the 38 Colt/38 Special conversion to the Pietta "Old Silver" 1851 is done:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7920/40374119793_775e68b4b2_b.jpg)


I kind of like the two-tone of silver and blue. Do you?

In the future if I get tired of the two-tone look, I could either strip the bluing, or nitre blue the whole revolver. Niter bluing produces a very handsome finish, like charcoal bluing:

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2724.msg27590.html#msg27590

As soon as the weather breaks, this revolver gets a through work out. My steel targets are already shaking.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: tljack on March 10, 2019, 05:54:40 PM
Hi, the 38 Colt/38 Special conversion to the Pietta "Old Silver" 1851 is done:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7920/40374119793_775e68b4b2_b.jpg)

I kind of like the two-tone of silver and blue. Do you?

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2724.msg27590.html#msg27590
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BLUE it!   :P :P
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 11, 2019, 01:31:47 PM
Hi, fitting a Kirst ejector can be a royal PITA. Many times the main mounting hole doesn't line up. The other issues are that it is difficult to get the ejector parallel to the bore and having it stay put. Assuming you can get the ejector mounted, a solution to the other problem of keeping the ejector parallel and having it stay put is to put a couple of push/push set screws into the ejector. This photo shows the ejector with 6-32 push/push screws, 3/16" long forward, 3/8" aft:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7880/32376292297_30f217cc30_b.jpg)

The Kirst instructions suggests using shims. IMO that's a terrible solution that makes rigidity and disassembly for cleaning difficult.

Howell instructions says that mounting the gated conversion cylinder requires that the hammer face be shortened and the hammer safety slot filled in with JB Weld. That has been done. Tomorrow the gated conversion cylinder should arrive. A couple more days and the "Old Silver" will be ready to shoot.

Regards,
Richard

Hi, I sent Walt Kirst the link to this message. The intent is to offer an easy solution to fitting the Kirst ejector to the 1851 that will benefit all. I received this reply from Walt Kirst:

"Richard,
Thank you for a solution to loose ejectors. I'm going to experiment and likely add set screws to our design.
Thank You,
Walt Kirst"

Sounds good.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on March 11, 2019, 01:38:56 PM
Wow, a manufacturer that listens. That's pretty awesome Richard.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: drobs on March 17, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
Real nice looking setup.

I think I'd be tempted to try a blued screw set in the frame of the gun to give it some contrasting colors.

Then I'd be tempted to blue the trigger and hammer to match the cylinder.

Lastly I'd get the barrel lined so I don't need to mess with healed or hollow base bullets.
This fella has a good price on barrel lining.
http://www.cartridgeconversion.com/SERVICES.php
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on March 17, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Hi drobs, using blued screws, hammer, and trigger sound interesting. The guy that does the barrel relining is Hoof Hearted who occasionally posts to the Remington message board. He helps Walt Kirst do development on the Kirst conversion cylinders. I won't do the relining because I want to keep the revolver as stock as possible so that it could be easily returned to C&B use. I find that hollow based bullets are accurate enough for casual shooting. I also have a stock of evil to reload heeled 38 Colt cartridges loaded if I ever need precision accuracy.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: bigted on March 21, 2019, 10:53:23 PM
Richard, absolutely ... the two tone ROCKS! Always liked that look.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on April 12, 2019, 06:00:43 AM
Hi, the weather is cooperating and I finally got to shoot my Old Silver 1851 38 Colt/38 Special gated conversion today. Used 148gr Speer hollow based wadcutter bullets with 2.7gr TrailBoss powder. Fired 50rds without a single issue. The more you do the conversions, the better you get doing them.

I got nice 2-3" groups from 25yds two handed. The revolver had already been sighted in using a Taylor 38 Colt/ 38 Special conversion cylinder, non gated. The groups are ~1" low so a little more filing down of the front sight is in order.

I'm still wondering on how this Old Silver finish will age. So far the finish looks just like it it originally did when came out of the box.

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: bigted on April 13, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
Richard, I have been curious as to the measurements of the 51/61 in comparison to the Uberti 1872 38 spcl revolver. Seems like the price of a 72 is going to be better than doing the conversion. BUT ... I would NOT want to deviate from the heft and configuration of the 51/61 style revolvers.

The very size and general feel of the 51 Colt is what I desire to maintain. My Taylor conversion in a Peitta 51 is spot on. Very comfy and remains standard 51 feel and heft. Having to remove the barrel/ cylinder every loading is a bit of a bother but with hollow based wadcutters, man it shoots.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on April 13, 2019, 10:33:35 AM
Sorry I missed the update. I'm glad you finally got to shoot it. Sounds like it has good potential for accuracy.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on September 24, 2019, 09:23:16 AM
Hi, the 38 Colt/38 Special conversion to the Pietta "Old Silver" 1851 is done:

The cylinder was shortened ~0.005", the barrel/cylinder gap is now 0.0015". While I did the Ruger hand spring mod, the hand needed to be shortened ~0.010" to have the revolver cycle properly.

I kind of like the two-tone of silver and blue. Do you?

In the future if I get tired of the two-tone look, I could either strip the bluing, or nitre blue the whole revolver. Niter bluing produces a very handsome finish, like charcoal bluing:

http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,2724.msg27590.html#msg27590

As soon as the weather breaks, this revolver gets a thorough work out. My steel targets are already shaking.

Regards,
Richard

Hi, I have a Howell conversion cylinder conversion on a Pietta Old Silver finish 1851, see photo.

Since doing a nitre finish job on a Pietta brass framed 1851 barrel and cylinder, I have wondered if the Old South finish would take nitre bluing. I tested a small area of the Old Silver finish before using cold blue. The Old Silver finish cold blues.

A test of the ability to nitre blue the Old Silver finish would be to see if the original Old Silver C&B cylinder could be nitre blued.

If that works, I may then remove the Pietta markings on both side of the barrel, polish, and then nitre blue both the frame, barrel, backstrap, and trigger guard. The Kirst ejector shell could also be nitre blued. It would be nice to nitre blue the Howell conversion cylinder, but I am concerned about affecting the heat treatment of the cylinder steel and weaken it.

A niter blued 1851 conversion would look cool IMO.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on September 24, 2019, 10:10:08 AM
I fully support this proposal. I think it will look fantastic.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: Captainkirk on September 24, 2019, 10:31:09 AM
I fully support this proposal. I think it will look fantastic.

It's hard to conceive a nitre bluing job NOT looking fantastic.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on September 24, 2019, 11:07:34 AM
I fully support this proposal. I think it will look fantastic.

It's hard to conceive a nitre bluing job NOT looking fantastic.

I couldn't agree more. Specially if Richard does it. He's on a roll lately.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on September 25, 2019, 07:01:54 AM
Hi, you guys make me blush.

This morning I went looking for the 1851 Old Sliver C&B cylinder to use as a niter test. At first I couldn't find it, but remembered that any loose extra cylinder gets loaded. Sure enough the Old Silver C&B cylinder was with my other loaded dozen+ extra Pietta 1851 cylinders. Worst case is that the niter bluing doesn't take on the Old Silver revolver parts where I simply polish out any discolored areas. So I'm going for it, niter blue the Pietta 1851 Old Sliver revolver. The first step was to remove the Pietta barrel advertising on each side of the barrel. The photo is the first pass on polishing.

I think I know why the cost of the Old Silver revolver is higher than the standard blued revolver. Each of the screw heads is polished. The rest of the screw is blued. That had to take a lot of manual handling. Of course all the revolver screws will be nitre blued.

BTW, I left the proof marks on the barrel.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on September 25, 2019, 09:17:52 AM
Hi, all the revolver parts have been polished. The Kirst ejector shell is now in vinegar to remove the bluing. Those parts will be polished. Nitre bluing is next, maybe in a couple of days from now.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on September 25, 2019, 01:36:16 PM
Looks great so far Richard. Can't wait to see the results.

Are you going to blue the BS/TG as well?
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: Captainkirk on September 25, 2019, 05:52:28 PM
That's gonna look pretty boss, Richard! )lI
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on September 26, 2019, 04:59:05 AM
Hi Dave, yes, I intend on nitre bluing the backstrap and trigger guard. I sent Howell an email asking them if there would be any problem nitre bluing their 38 Colt gated conversion cylinder. I am also concerned about changing the metallurgy of the hammer and trigger sear if nitre blued. I may just leave both the hammer and trigger in the white.

The Old Silver parts have been wired up and cleaned for nitre bluing. The niter salts are now being heated up on the stove.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on September 26, 2019, 07:00:13 AM
I like the sound of that Richard. All blue with the hammer and trigger in the white will look great. I await the results.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on September 26, 2019, 08:19:56 AM
Hi, the revolver parts have been nitre blued. The bluing is somewhat blotchy were different areas on the parts blued differently. The area where the Pietta markings were removed from the barrel blued beautifully without any blotchy areas. This suggest to me that there is some metal treatment given to the Old Silver finish. The bluing area where the bluing was uniform is raw steel. In some ways the blotchy appearance on the other parts is somewhat handsome similar to color case hardening.

Stainless steel baskets were ordered to allow nitre bluing the revolver screws:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BVK3SDH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07N8WKF52/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I still intend on refinishing the revolver grips.

The revolver will then be assembled and evaluated. If I am unhappy with the niter blued finish, the bluing will be stripped and the parts repolished to a bright steel finish. The Howell cylinder would then also be polished to a white finish.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on September 26, 2019, 12:37:31 PM
Looks great from here Richard.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on September 26, 2019, 03:17:40 PM
Hi Dave, after the bluing cures with oil for 24 hours, the revolver will be reassembled using replacement blued screws. A better judgement of the bluing job will then be easier with the revolver together. If it's a keeper, the silver colored screws will then be niter blued. I'll take some photos so you guy can also decide if I should keep it that way. One thing for sure is that it will be unique.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on September 26, 2019, 04:11:04 PM
I agree, it will be unique. That's why I like it. I can't wait to see the result.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on September 27, 2019, 05:06:02 AM
Hi, the revolver was assembled and photos taken. IMO it looks like something out of a penny arcade. The nitre bluing changes based on the lighting. My artist wife says she likes it. I don't. What do you think?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on September 27, 2019, 06:49:48 AM
Hi, the Pietta Old Silver 1851 revolver is going back to Old Silver. All the nitre bluing has been stripped off. Interesting that while normal hot blue takes ~30 minutes in vinegar, the nitre bluing strips in less than a minute. That suggests that nitre bluing is very delicate and wouldn't wear well. The blue and color case hardening on the Howell gated conversion cylinder has also be removed by soaking in vinegar. All the revolver niter blued parts are still highly polished after nitre bluing removal, but will be given another buffing before assembly. The conversion cylinder will be given a high polish.

Work was started on refinishing the grips. The grips don't have a surface finish treatment, but are deeply stained with that awful Pietta red. Soaking in acetone removes some of the red, bleaching doesn't do much to remove the red. I tried light sanding, but it doesn't help. I wouldn't be surprised if the name of the Pietta stain is "Red Forever".

What was learned with this project is that Old Silver does have some surface treatment, it's not bare steel. That nitre bluing is really skin deep and can be easily and accidentally removed. Also, that niter bluing should only be used for small parts bluing, like screws.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on September 27, 2019, 09:29:11 AM
Hi, all the Old Silver parts have been polished and the revolver reassembled. I think that the conversion cylinder and ejector with the bluing gone and the parts polished look great. All that's left is to refinish the grips.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on September 27, 2019, 09:40:57 AM
Well Richard, I hate to admit it, but you're right. The bluing just has too much of a purple hue to it. Not very becoming of a Colt. You did the right thing taking it back to bare steel and polishing it. And I agree about the blued ejector and cylinder, it looks better polished. I never liked the two-tone finish it had.

Lesson learned. But the gun looks fantastic now, so it wasn't all for naught.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on September 27, 2019, 09:43:30 AM
Hi Dave, there is one benefit, all that barrel Pietta billboard crap is gone.  )l_ )l_ )l_

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: Captainkirk on September 27, 2019, 09:55:02 AM
I don't see it as a waste, Richard. You tried it, unhappy with results. Now you know.
Have you thought about nickel plating? All the current Pietta nickel plated revolvers are brassers. To have a steelie that is nickel plated would be outstanding.
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on September 27, 2019, 10:10:30 AM
Hi Dave, there is one benefit, all that barrel Pietta billboard crap is gone.  )l_ )l_ )l_

Regards,
Richard


See, there's always a silver lining!
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ssb73q on October 01, 2019, 04:26:58 AM
Hi, the Tru-oil refinishing of the Old Silver grips has been completed. The Old Silver is now again ready for shooting.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: ShotgunDave on October 01, 2019, 07:52:23 AM
Wow Richard, that looks really good! Specially without all that distracting gobble-gook on the sides of the barrel. Nice work!
Title: Re: Good price for gated 1851 conversion
Post by: mike116 on October 01, 2019, 09:59:39 AM
Good work Richard.   I guess that gun is destined to be silver.   Looks good like that anyway