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Title: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 16, 2019, 08:35:38 AM
Hi, call me a glutton for punishment, but I ordered a Kentucky Pistol kit:

https://www.oldsouthfirearms.com/traditionskentuckypistolkit50caliber.aspx

You know I hate gun kits more than gun confiscating liberals. However, I will use building this pistol as a sin offering and as a winter project. The completed pistol isn't much more money, but intend to do a better build. I will remove all the barrel markings except the serial number and nitre blue the barrel. The trigger will also have return spring installed.

One of the reviewers on the Dixie Gun Works suggests that the wood of the stock is maple. That would be nice if true.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: Desperate Lee on October 16, 2019, 09:46:07 AM
You go for it Richard. I really enjoy my single shots. My latest project is a stubby flint lock. Should be fun to play with.
Gary
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 16, 2019, 10:05:01 AM
Hi Gary, that looks pretty neat! Is that a kit or did you do all the piecing yourself? What are you going to do for sights?

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: Captainkirk on October 16, 2019, 10:06:52 AM
Richard, is your kit percussion or flint?
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: Desperate Lee on October 16, 2019, 11:40:38 AM
Richard
No not a kit just parts i am assembling together. Not sure on sights yet. Got lots of work left on it for sure. Have to build my own vent. But thats the fun of it right.
Gary
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: AntiqueSledMan on October 16, 2019, 12:05:46 PM
Hello Guys,

My son is working on another, not really a kit rather just misc. CVA parts.
Barrel is from CVA Hawken Pistol, 9-3/4" long.
Stock is from a CVA Mountain Pistol.
Everything else is CVA except we're making a barrel rib & putting a TC thimble on.
He did have the Belt Hook, Nose Cap, Wedge Plates and Trigger Guard nickel plated.
The Hawken Pistol shot fine, but the stocks were made for a gorilla. We dubbed it the club.

AntiqueSledMan.
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: G Dog on October 16, 2019, 05:37:51 PM
Richard
Got lots of work left on it for sure.  But thats the fun of it right.
Gary

Well sure, Lee.  I guess so.

Iíve been shooting guns since I was old enough to stay on a bicycle but have never built a kit.  Do they include pretty good plans for how to put one together?  Do the action parts fit together OK or do they need a great big tune-up?  Does a guy have to be a shop wizard to pull that off? 

A Kentucky pistol for less than 2 bills sounds very appealing.
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 17, 2019, 04:34:16 AM
Richard, is your kit percussion or flint?

Hi Kirk, the pistol is percussion. One other thing I will need to do with this pistol is to install a taller front sight than the one supplied. Reviewers said that the pistol shoots high. Like the other brands of similar pistols (Pedersoli and Lyman), the trigger pull is reported to be heavy where some work is required to smooth and lighten it. One reviewer of the factory completed Traditions pistol suggested, that considering the rework required, the kit is preferred over the factory finished pistol. A number of reviews said that although shooting high the Traditions Kentucky pistol is a tack driver. I have both percussion and flintlock Traditions Trapper pistols and can attest to their accuracy. Those pistols have double set triggers that is a huge advantage as it relates to accuracy.

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: Captainkirk on October 17, 2019, 07:56:18 AM
Richard, I have the Lyman Plains Pistol, and it is a tack driver for sure.
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: mazo kid on October 17, 2019, 04:40:12 PM
I think you will enjoy building that pistol. You can modify shape to some extent, and tune the lock. I posted here (or maybe on the Remmie forum) about how to lighten the trigger pull by moving the pivot point from low on the trigger guard to using a pin through the trigger higher into the stock. And hey, you can practice pouring pewter nose candle butt caps too!
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 21, 2019, 03:39:34 AM
Hi, the Traditions Kentucky pistol kit arrived. All the parts were in a large plastic blister package. Initial fitting of parts shows some issues. The cutout for the lock isn't deep enough and there will be work fitting the brass nose piece. A lot of the stock is oversized where a lot of wood removal will be required. Unfortunately, the stock is not maple, but looks like birch. The upside is that wood removal will be easy. There is laser writing on two sides of the barrel. That includes the serial number. I would like to remove all that crap, but it will require removing the serial number in the process. I could re-stamp the serial number on the bottom of the barrel. Removal of the bolster would make sanding off the barrel writing easy, but I can't get the bolster off the barrel. The bolster may be welded in place. Removing the writing off that side of the barrel will require hand filing and/or sanding.

Regards,
Richard

Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: Hawg on October 21, 2019, 07:46:15 AM
The serial number doesn't mean anything anyway. Its not like the BATFE is going to knock down your door if you take it off.
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 21, 2019, 08:15:13 AM
Hi Hawg, unfortunately I live in New York State where I must have any owned handgun on my pistol permit. If there is ever an issue with the police shooting the Traditions Kentucky pistol, they will want to see the serial number and see it also on my pistol permit. Also, if ever stolen I can provide a serial number in case the pistol is ever found.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: Captainkirk on October 21, 2019, 08:32:33 AM
That's right...protect your own best interests. You never know if someone could steal it and try to assassinate Lincoln again... ;)
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 21, 2019, 08:52:12 AM
Hi, some progress has been made fitting the metal parts to the stock. This kit sure doesn't have the precision of a Pedersoli kit. A lot of wood will need to be removed, see photos.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: Captainkirk on October 21, 2019, 10:20:48 AM
Yeah, that's a bit rough, Richard. But I have no doubt you will do it up right!
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: AntiqueSledMan on October 21, 2019, 10:40:27 AM
Hello Richard,

I believe the Traditions are made by the same Spanish Builder which CVA was.
Attached is a cutaway of the CVA Breech. CVA didn't want you to take them apart.

AntiqueSledMan.
 
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 22, 2019, 05:19:16 AM
Hi Antique, they sure don't want anyone to remove the bolster. Removing the laser writing on the barrel was easy with a little light filing and sanding. Why they put all that crap like "read user instructions", etc. on the barrel is beyond me. I thought Trump drowned most all the lawyers a couple of years ago.

The wood work is going well. The wood of the stock is soft where sanding to fit is easy. I just go slow and refit check a number of times. I'm certain the stock is birch and not maple. I was planing on doing nitre bluing on the barrel, but now considering doing a browning.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 22, 2019, 08:52:15 AM
Hi, a spring was attached to the trigger plate to keep the trigger from flopping around. Two 1/16" holes hold the spring. A shallow hole was drilled into the stock to capture the end of the trigger spring.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 25, 2019, 08:17:02 AM
Hi, getting a nice looking stain on the stock has been difficult. My first attempts with an oak colored stain looked like crap. Staining the Traditions kit stock has the same difficulty as trying to do a good stain job on pine. Walnut and oak is so much easier to stain. Found in my pile of wood stains was an old can of MinWax pecan stain. That stain so far seems to be the best color for the stock wood. The photo shows the stock with the pecan stain drying. The stock will then be give a number of Tru-Oil coats. The barrel has been polished as far as I want to take it. I don't want a mirror finish. Still struggling with what finish to give the barrel, nitre or brown.

There was a little repair required for the end of the barrel. There was a dent in the end of the muzzle rifling. It must have come from supplier rough handling. A Brownell muzzle crowning tool with valve grinding compound did the trick to clean up that ding.

All the metal parts now fit the stock as perfectly as I can. After the stock is finished, a taller front sight installed, and the barrel finish done, the pistol will be ready for shooting.

BTW, Dave's paper cartridge making kit is in the background of the stock photo.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ShotgunDave on October 25, 2019, 09:17:43 AM
Looking good as usual Richard. I bet brown on the barrel would look great.

Glad to see the former made it there safely.
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: Captainkirk on October 25, 2019, 09:37:12 AM
I'm thinking brown as well.
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 25, 2019, 03:05:51 PM
Hi, the issue I have with browning is that the lock is blued and I don't want to tear it down to brown it. Also, all the screws are blued. I think that the barrel's future is nitre blue.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ShotgunDave on October 25, 2019, 08:26:57 PM
With that new information Richard, I'll have to agree. Nitre blued would be much better.
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 26, 2019, 07:03:10 AM
Hi, the rear sight that came with the kit and a taller front sight were installed on the Traditions barrel. Of course, fitting of the sights was required. The front sight will be filed down at the range to bring poi=poa @25yds. Bluing of the barrel comes next. The stock has been given the first coat of Tru-Oil.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 26, 2019, 10:17:01 AM
Hi, just finished doing the nitre bluing on the barrel. I must say that the barrel came out beautiful and very uniform. The nitre salts were at 620 dF and the barrel was in the salts for ~1/2 hour. The barrel was carted with steel wool a few times during the bluing. The barrel has been given a coat of Ballastol to cure the bluing. It will darken some over the next day. This is a photo of the barrel. Disregard the reflections of overhead lights and lint of rags in the photo. IMO this is my best niter bluing job to date.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: mike116 on October 26, 2019, 10:20:33 AM
Looks really good Richard,  very nice job.
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ShotgunDave on October 26, 2019, 12:43:24 PM
As usual, nicely done Richard.
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: Hawg on October 26, 2019, 05:21:09 PM
For somebody that doesn't like kits you do a hella good job on them.
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 29, 2019, 04:46:23 AM
Hi, the last coat of Tru-Oil was applied to the stock. The stock will be ready for assembly tomorrow. The pistol serial number was written inside the barrel channel of the stock and then covered with Tru-Oil. Only the proof marks remain on the barrel and they are out of sight. I happened to notice that the pistol lock blue looks very similar to my nitre blued barrel, a nice match. See the photo.

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ShotgunDave on October 29, 2019, 06:57:44 AM
A very handsome piece for sure!
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 30, 2019, 04:29:46 AM
Hi, it's done, sort of. The Traditions Kentucky pistol was assembled. There was one problem with a part, the rear ramrod thimble is the wrong size. Traditions sent a huge thimble much larger in diameter than the Kentucky rear thimble should be. They must have put the wrong part in the kit. I will contact Traditions to get the correct thimble.

Overall, the pistol came out well. The only issue I have is the wood used in the kit. If the wood would have been walnut, this pistol would be the most outstanding single shot BP pistol I own. My best is still the Pedersoli Kentucky flintlock that has a beautiful walnut stock. One nice aspect of the Traditions Kentucky pistol is that there is an adjustment screw for the lock sear. That will allow this pistol to have a very light trigger pull compared to my other BP single stage trigger single shot pistols.

Some photos:

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ShotgunDave on October 30, 2019, 06:15:50 AM
That's a handsome piece Richard. Well done as usual.
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: ssb73q on October 30, 2019, 07:16:39 AM
Hi Dave, thanks for the kind comment. This is a photo of my Kentucky pistols. From top to bottom:

Pedersoli Kentucky flintlock
Lyman Great Plains percussion
Traditions Kentucky percussion

Regards,
Richard
Title: Re: New project - a kit
Post by: Captainkirk on October 30, 2019, 11:31:53 AM
That came out excellent, Richard. You are gonna have to ditch the idea that you don't like kits and vice-versa. You have a knack for it and are producing finished guns far above the standard market import.
Perhaps you should sell them on the forum here?