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Army Models / Re: backwards?
« on: February 02, 2015, 03:35:45 PM »
the naval scene had nothing to do with the navy, it was an early attempt to prevent counterfeiting,
colt figured people may copy his revolvers, but they would not bother to copy the engraving,
it was an easy way to tell a fake from the real thing,

Army Models / Re: whats the differance?
« on: February 02, 2015, 03:32:27 PM »
one difference is the grip size, 1951 uses the same grip frame as the later 1873, peacemaker
an 1860 army uses a larger grip frame and grip, because the earlier 44's had a larger grip
the frame on a 51 and 60 are very close, as the 1860 was based on the 1851, the 44cal 1860 has a step machined into the frame to allow the stepped 44 cal cylinder to fit,

Gunsmithing/Tuning/Parts & Repairs / Re: cylinder over rotating
« on: February 01, 2015, 02:04:42 PM »
I thought I should post an update on this,
I contacted VTI about getting a new bolt, they informed me that the correct ASM part was not available, and a Uberti bolt would be too short to work properly,
so it appears that is what someone did, the tried to use a Uberti bolt, with no other recourse I attempted to make the bolt I had work as well as possible, first thing I did was remove some material from the frame and the bolt where they contact each other in order to get the bolt to protrude further out of the frame, I was able to get a fair amount of additional engagement with the cylinder stops this way, I also increased the spring tension on the bolt,
of course this threw off the timing, which I then corrected, but I couldn't figure out how to add a hammer stop,
at this point the revolver was working better, not perfect but better, and that is how it stayed, at least for a while
recently I saw a youtube video by gungoon about fanning a cap and ball revolver, in it was a pic of his hammer stop mod, I immediately grabbed my Dragoon and ran out to my drill press, I had gotten stuck on stopping the hammer, I never thought about stopping the main spring, this mod works great and is invisible when the revolver is back together,
after adding the stop, it occurred to me that chamfering one edge of the cylinder stop, and beveling the edge of the bolt would allow the bolt to engaging earlier,  and BINGO! it is FIXED! it works 100% now, the bolt catches every time, no problem no matter how fast I cock the hammer  (@+

Griswold & Gunnison / Re: High Standard Griswold and Gunnison replicas
« on: October 07, 2014, 07:02:33 AM »
I have never seen any of the High Standard repro guns. Any pictures?

I tried posting some pics of mine here with no luck
so I posted them on the 58 Remmy board
same thread title "High Standard Griswold & Gunnison"

Are you trying to post  the pic as an attachment, or as a direct image code? This board is set up with the same settings as Remmy.

not quite the same as the Remmy board, max image size here is 128KB which is too small for most images my camera can take
max image size at the Remmy board is larger and I can post images there just fine, making both boards the same as the Remmy board would solve the problem

Griswold & Gunnison / Re: High Standard Griswold and Gunnison replicas
« on: October 05, 2014, 05:36:21 PM »
I have never seen any of the High Standard repro guns. Any pictures?

I tried posting some pics of mine here with no luck
so I posted them on the 58 Remmy board
same thread title "High Standard Griswold & Gunnison"

Gunsmithing/Tuning/Parts & Repairs / Re: cylinder over rotating
« on: October 05, 2014, 09:21:36 AM »
Sounds like the bolt timing is a little late & there s some interference keeping it from coming all the way up.  A hammer stop would correct the over travel.  45 Dragoon ought to be able to talk you through this.

ah good call  (jh
 the bolt is protruding almost as the hammer reaches full cock,
but with no lead in ramp is this not the way it was designed?
if it did engage any earlier it would leave quite a drag line on the cylinder

also does anyone know if an Uberti bolt will fit an ASM?
and if anyone gets a chance to check, I would like to know how far the bolt protrudes on a round bolt Walker or Dragoon, thanks

Gunsmithing/Tuning/Parts & Repairs / cylinder over rotating
« on: October 05, 2014, 08:40:33 AM »
1st model Dragoon,
when you cock the hammer with any vigor the cylinder tends to over rotate past the next chamber
not every time but often enough to be annoying, it is fine when you cock it slowly
is this common with oval bolt Walkers and early dragoons?
there is quite a bit of rearward hammer travel left after lockup should occur, allowing the hand to continue rotating the cylinder if the bolt does not drop into the notch
also the bolt does not appear to have very much engagement into the cylinder notch, it protrudes approximately 30-35 thou above the frame, and the notches in the cylinder measure 60 thousands deep, it looks as though someone filed down the bolt for some reason and when it is at half cock the bolt is approx 40 thou below the opening in the frame, cylinder to frame gap when assembled is 6-8 thou with a feeler gauge
my thought is to fit a new bolt, and/or attempt to limit the hammer travel, any thoughts?

Walkers & Dragoons / Re: ASM 1st model Dragoon
« on: October 03, 2014, 06:50:37 PM »
well I decided it was too expensive and I couldn't afford it,  then I got it anyway,
so how many of the ASM revolvers have the top of the barrel stamped
 "ADDRESS SAM L COLT NEW - YORK CITY"  with a small "L"
I think that cinched it for me, the Colt address just looks so neat, (fake or not)
that and the pic of the boxed set of engraved Dragoon & 36 Navy, at the top of the page

Walkers & Dragoons / Re: ASM 1st model Dragoon
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:59:03 PM »
I have always wanted a Walker just because it is ridiculously heavy, and I have shot one on occasion,  the appeal is in no small part due to its legendary status, however, the more I look at the Dragoons the more I like them, they are a much better balanced revolver, and I do like the Colt roll mark on the barrel, plus I can always shoot my friends Walker, the best they will do is $250 not a bad price, but not great deal,
if it is still there next week it may come home with me, thats only 5 BP revolvers, and the Kentucky rifle makes an even half dozen,
it's not an addiction till you have over a dozen, or two, right? I can still get a Walker later, ...and a Centaur, plus another Remmy, .....couple of flintlocks perhaps? .....maybe a cannon..........

Walkers & Dragoons / Re: ASM 1st model Dragoon
« on: September 30, 2014, 03:15:39 PM »
doesn't everyone "really want a Walker"?
or two, and some Dragoons, and a baby Walker,
couple of 36 navy's, 1860 army, and a Paterson ?
and here I thought that was "normal"
to quote Mr Spock "sometimes having is not so pleasant a thing as wanting"
I mean if I had them all, it would take some of the fun out of searching for them

Walkers & Dragoons / ASM 1st model Dragoon
« on: September 29, 2014, 02:54:39 PM »
saw it in a local shop, don't know much about ASM, just that they are out of business,
date code makes it 1980, neat thing is the Colt address on top of the barrel,
and black powder ASM on the side, looks to have been shot some but it is in nice clean condition
they are asking $285 (but will take a reasonable offer) should I just wait and get a Walker, (I really want a Walker)

Griswold & Gunnison / Re: High Standard Griswold and Gunnison replicas
« on: September 10, 2014, 04:40:52 PM »
nice link thanks for the info
so mine appears to be a parts gun or something, it has bicentennial markings on the barrel, but with a brass frame, and the serial number matches the first issue Griswold & Gunnison  007XX, it came with no case or anything, just a cool shooter, and shoot it I shall  :-*

Griswold & Gunnison / Re: High Standard Griswold and Gunnison replicas
« on: September 08, 2014, 09:33:59 PM »
a bit more history I have found out about these
they were made for three years 1974, 1975, and 1976,
they were assembled by High Standard in the US, using Uberti parts
I will try and post some pics of mine A.S.A.P.  (Ah Suck At Photography)  (??
well I had to give up, not one of my pics would post,  (K|

Griswold & Gunnison / Re: High Standard Griswold and Gunnison replicas
« on: September 08, 2014, 08:07:14 AM »
Well it came home with me,
I remember looking at it in a local shop, it was there for a long while, and I was always on the fence about picking it up,
then one day it was gone, you snooze you loose, or so I thought, till one day another member at the range mentioned he had an old broken navy revolver, he said he had a gunsmith look at it and they said it was a paperweight and they would not even try and fix it,
of course I told him that was nonsense, and offered to take a look at it for him, imaging my surprise when he pulled out the same revolver, and his surprise when I told him when where and when he got it, and how much he payed for it,
he had shot it a good number of times till the hammer stopped staying cocked, at which point after being told it was unrepairable he bought a new Uberti 51 navy copy, and as he was very happy with his new Uberti, and had no more interest or use for the High Standard, and if I could fix it he offered it to me for a more than fair price, so now it is working just fine and has a new place in my safe with the other revolvers

Griswold & Gunnison / Re: High Standard Griswold and Gunnison replicas
« on: August 30, 2014, 07:07:40 PM »
saw one of these in a local shop
guess I should have bought it  (K|

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