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Navy Models / Re: Early 1851 Civilian Model
« on: October 11, 2011, 04:55:27 AM »
No date code on this revolver anywhere.  The serial is 12xx so not real low but lower than a 5 digit.  I was guessing the late 50s but not sure of actual production dates for GU.

General Discussion / Replica Arms Inc.
« on: October 11, 2011, 04:53:17 AM »
(I posted this query on the Replica Percusiion Revolver Collectors forum but got no responses.  Maybe someone here can help.)

Does anyone have information on the two different importers that went by the name Replica Arms.  One was in Marietta, Ohio and the other was from Texas(?).  Were they connected somehow?  I have several of the Ohio imorters revolvers and have just jeard of one of the Texas revolvers.  I know the Ohio company was bought by Navy Arms and subsequently dissappered but know nothing of the Texas company.

Thanks for any information.

Navy Models / Short Barreled 1851
« on: October 09, 2011, 03:38:43 AM »
Another civilian version, this one has had it's barrel shorted to a bit over 4".

Again, no provision for the stock but the hammer is cut for the safety pins but there are no pins on the cylinder. 

It was built by Armi San Paulo in 1973 and shortend sometime after it left the factory.  It handles well but has not yet made a range outing.  This one may be a candidate for conversion.  It would make a nice medium caliber revolver.

Navy Models / Early 1851 Civilian Model
« on: October 09, 2011, 03:30:20 AM »
Here is an early version of the 1851 as manufactured by Greggorelli and Uberti, and marketed by Navy Arms.

No shield cuts, no cut in the grip strap, no fourth screw, nothing to allow the attachment of a shoulder stock.

There are no safety pins in the cylinder and the hammer does not have the cut for them.  It does have a nice square notch for the rear sight.

This revolver has a couple of things missing, no cylinder engraving and no date stamp.  I don't recall when Uberti stopped including Gregorelli in the stamping but it was not very long after the replica industry got going in the 50s.  A nice unfired specimen.

Army Models / My 1860 Replica
« on: October 05, 2011, 03:19:10 AM »
This clone was imported by replica Arms of Marrietta Ohio sometime in the 70s.  I like the early Ubertis and this one is no dissapointment.

I will have to get a group photo of my 1860s, maybe if the sun comes out tomorrow.

Army Models / Re: 1860 Short Barreled Revolver
« on: October 05, 2011, 03:16:02 AM »
so if a colt was hittin too high at 25 yds, you would make the notch deeper?

No, I would change the front sight.  Making the notch deeper only gives you a deeper notch.  Shaving some off the top of the hammer will lower your back sight but it needs to be done so the result is square and perpendicular to the hammer face to give a proper sight picture.  On the hammer, I normally just widen the notch and make it more like the notch on a S&W rear sight.

(Picture, thousand words) This is the hammer sight from a Gregorelli/Uberti 1851, I wish they would have continued to make the hammer this way.

Army Models / Re: 1860 Short Barreled Revolver
« on: October 03, 2011, 02:12:16 PM »
so do you modify all the revolvers so you can get the same sight picture, or do ya just have to remember the nuances of each one individually?

I usually modify the hammer so it presents a square sight picture.  The front sight is normally not too bad for the type of shooting I do, mostly long range stuff.  I needed to add a front sight to the little barrel so I filed it for close work.  But yes, I try to have all my revolvers sighted about the same.  The Dragoon is sighted for longer ranges than the 1860s which are sighted for longer than the Pocket revolvers.  Roughly 100 yards, 75 yards and 25 yards.  Which, for my eyes, means that unless I shorten the barrel, the sights are good as they come from the factory usually.

Army Models / Re: 1860 Short Barreled Revolver
« on: October 03, 2011, 03:25:15 AM »
I cut this revolver down about 5 years ago and have shot it plenty.  I have it sighted in at 25 yards.  Accuracy is fine, comparable to what my other C&B revovlers are capable of doing.  As many know, once I get a firearm sighted in, it rarely sees formal paper targets again.  So cans, rocks, groundhogs, etc are my targets of choice and taken whenever they present themselves at whatever range, unless I can stalk in closer.

Navy Models / Re: 1851 Civilian Model
« on: October 02, 2011, 04:15:28 AM »
So yours does not have the notches cut in the frame nor the additional screw heads?

Navy Models / 1851 Civilian Model Question
« on: October 01, 2011, 04:22:48 AM »
It seems that all the 1851s I have come across lately are civilian models, no provisions for the shoulder stock.  Are there any military model 1851 being reproduced?

I ask because my 1861 Improved Navies have provisions for the stocks but the last three 1851s I have handled and the ones I see pictured are not cut for the stock.  (Mind you, I hate the stock but still want to know the answer.)

Walkers & Dragoons / Re: Second Dragoon
« on: September 30, 2011, 04:55:03 AM »
I figure the signs are there to inform folks about something so I leave them alone.  I shoot rocks, cans, stumps, varmints and such.  Often I carry a five gallon pail lid or three and drop them as I walk to use as targets when I am further away.  Then I pick them up on my way back in to the vehicle.

Pocket Models / Re: Two of my Baby Dragoons
« on: September 30, 2011, 04:51:36 AM »
nice guns! how bout a pic of one of the cases ya build?

Not a problem, but it will be a while.  I work on my guns, build cases and such when other projects are slow.  Currently, the Farmers Markets are keeping me busy but they are beginning to wind down.  Hopefully, I will be able to build one or two this coming winter.  ALso have a rifle or two on the bench that need work.

Army Models / 1860 Short Barreled Revolver
« on: September 30, 2011, 04:43:55 AM »
I have a lot of 1860s and found myself needing a short barreled one.  While other than 8" barrels were an option from the Colts Factory, I have not found any authenticated ones so I did mine the way I believe most of them were shortened back in the late 1800s.  I took a hacksaw to the barrel and when finished, filed the muzzle square to the bore.  A finer file took care of any burrs in the crown and I was happy for a while.  Then I needed to add a front sight so out came the hacksaw and files to inlet a dovetailed rifle sight.  Plenty of height to file down to hit point of aim!

Eventually, this is what I ended up having as a fun little revolver!

The grips are smooth elk stag from a shed antler picked up in Arizona.  The watch is my National Watch Co, Ryerson model from 1870. 

Navy Models / Re: The Improved Navy
« on: September 29, 2011, 04:30:34 AM »
i see now!  why does one have the squareback triggerguard ?

Colts improved the revolver with the addition of better steel (produced by the Bessemer process and marketed by Colts as Silver Steel), the rounding of the barrel and the use of the "creeping" loading lever instead of the toggle and link lever commonly found on pre 1860 revolvers.  These changes were introduced in the 1860 Model and carried to the 36 caliber 1861 a year later. 

The square back triggerguard was one of many options offered by Colts on the revolvers produced by them.  I just happened to find one of each.

The full fluted cylinder was introduced on Colts revolvers as a weight reducing idea.  First found on the Dragoons it was also used on the 1860s and 1861s.  Not many 1860s were made this way as the 44 caliber 1860 had a tendency to burst the full fluted cylinders and many were returned to the factory and replaced with the more common engraved cylinder.

General Discussion / Re: Wanted: High quality pic for forum header
« on: September 29, 2011, 04:24:59 AM »
The revolver in my photo is the ASM version of the first Richards conversion of the 1860 Colt.  Several things are not correct but it was the only option (and still is the only option)for a first Model Richards without going to a full blown custom creation.  The cylinder should be rebated and the frame notched to match, the ring should have a lip to shroud the rear of the cylinder,the screws should be non metric and a few other trivial errors need to be corrected.  I am quite pleased witht he revolver as it filled a void in my accumulation of revolvers.  To this day, no one markets a First Richards that is 100% accurate to the originals but my ASM is good enough for me, if not for the purists.  I am happy that ASM chose to offer it in 44 Colt instead of bowing to demand and offering it in the unauthentic 45 long Colt.

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