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1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« on: March 18, 2012, 11:40:44 PM »
Today at our gun show I picked up a 1848 Baby Dragoon, 2nd model with loading lever. It was manufactured in 1969 and imported by Replica Arms Inc , Marietta Ohio.

I am having dificulty determining the manufacture.  My camera will not take good macro pictures. I will try to describe the mark that apperars to be the manufactures.

At the top is a start surrounded by a circle of short lines radiating out.

Underneath that is a square. Inside of it appears to me to be the lettter W. Under the W looks like 2 Vs side by side that over lap each other. Underneath all of that is a mark that looks like " } ". It's point is pointing down rather than to the right as in the example I give. Above is another symbol that I can not make out.

As is typical with most markings like this, the manufacture does not take great care in stamping them.

Tomorrow I will take it all apart. It looks like it is in pretty good shape. 5 shot cylinder. Locks up real good and tight. The barrel is full of dust. I would say the blue is 90% or better. Most of the case hardening is gone.

Terry
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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2012, 12:08:31 PM »
Those are the proofmarks jack.  It was probably made by Uberti or ASM.  Use this to identify proof marks & makers marks and maunfature date code.  https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/POWDER/MBPProofmarks.pdf

Uberti is pretty easy to identify, ASM not so.  What exactly are the markings?   Be sure to check under the barrel.  An ASM could be marked:  Armi San Marco; ASM; A.S.M.; SM; AS; Marco; or an intertwined ASM. 
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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2012, 10:12:27 PM »
Fingers, thank you for the reply. I can always count on you!

You are correct, the symbols I was describing are proof marks. There are no marks under the barrel. There is a serial number on the loading lever as well as the frame, barrel, trigger guard and backstrap. On the flat below the left of the barrel it says " cal 31.

There are proof marks on the barrel, cylinder and frame.  It is a pretty neat looking gun as it does not have all the "black powder" warnings as I am sure they were not required then.

There is not any other markings of any kind on the gun.

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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2012, 11:34:06 AM »
Without actually seeing the gun, It's hard to tell.  From the description and date of manufacture I'd guess ASM; but that's just a guess.

Sorry I can't be any more help than that.
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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2012, 04:22:41 PM »
OK Fingers. I think I have pictures for you. the more I look at this gun, I may be mistaken about the model.  Here are some pictures

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This is one of the 4 I bought this last weekend

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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model again
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2012, 04:26:41 PM »

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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 06:47:35 PM »
you mean these pictures?  You got some of the brackets in the wrong place so I fixed them for you.  From the grip shape, it could be an ASM or Euroarms.  ASM also put serial numbers in the same location as Colt did.  Are you sure there isn't a mark of some kind under the loading lever on the barrel right wher the loading lever is attached? 






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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 09:52:45 PM »
I took the loading lever completely off. There is no markings of any kind there. Thought I might find something on the frame so I took out the cylinder and still nothing.
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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 10:52:21 PM »
Then I'm stumped. 
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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2012, 09:43:37 AM »
is it for sale?   mark

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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2012, 05:00:43 PM »
It is not really for sale. Just bought it last weekend. Might in the future for the right price. Actually, I guess all of my guns could be for sale for the right price..........  ;)

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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2012, 06:43:47 AM »
 i really cant tell what the uberti stamp looks like....



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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2012, 11:12:36 PM »
Imagine looking at nothing but the bore of a 51 Colt. See the barrel and riflings only. That is the Uberti stamp. This gun does not have any manufactures marks on it.
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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2012, 02:27:53 PM »
Lol you guys still missed it...lol... look at my avatar...

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Re: 1848 Baby Dragoon 2nd model
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2012, 11:54:38 PM »
I don't believe in getting even, I get a head. Watch out  :)
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