Banner

Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Topics - sourdough

Pages: [1] 2 3
1
Tucker & Sherrard / Uberti Western Arms Tucker, Sherrard, & Company
« on: November 26, 2020, 04:37:50 PM »
Tucker, Sherrard, & Company .44 revolver (AD/1978) manufactured by Aldo Uberti & Co. and marketed by Western Arms Corp., Santa Fe NM (which I believe to be the precursor to Cimarron Firearms). Sold for $425 on GB 11/25/20.













According to one source, around 400 to 1000 Tucker, Sherrard, & Company cased sets only were made for Western Arms by Uberti, so this one may have been liberated from its case.

This revolver is fairly accurate, historically, to most of the T. S. & C. originals as there were a few variations. The original revolvers were of Colt Dragoon size but the cylinder is nearly 1/4" shorter, and the cylinder stop slots vary from round to rectangular. The roll-marked cylinders are fairly true to the originals with the markings.





This is the top of barrel marking on an original.



I only wish Uberti/Western Arms had gone a step further and created the "low hammer spur" variation. This is the only revolver ever in the ACW to have such an innovation, and a good one at that.



The strange part of the Tucker, Sherrard, & Company (along with its future names/incarnations) saga is that most of them were assembled after the ACW, due to contractual/political disputes between the Texas government, the CSA, and the manufacturer(s) during the War, and were sold on the civilian market.

Reference: Confederate Revolvers William A. Gary (1987).

Regards,

Jim




2
Marks, makers and date codes / GLB
« on: November 12, 2020, 02:28:16 PM »
This was posted in 2016 by a gentleman named Ringo on a French forum, Repliques Old West. Some of you may remember him posting on CC in the past few years.

"Since I've been looking for information about one of the most mysterious replica manufacturers, the one whose brand brings together three letters in one logo: I've finally collected some data that I think is time to share.

First, the identification of this manufacturer. No weapon bears his full name. Therefore, it is essential to cross-reference objective sources in order to formulate a result. Three concurring sources allow me to give (or confirm) this identification:

- 1- the Armi site of Edoardo Mori, which, in its encyclopedia of weapons and manufacturers lists as the only italian manufacturer name corresponding to these initials Giacosa Luciano,
- 2- the book "Pistols of the World" by Ian V. Hogg and John Walter published by Krause Publications, which mentions Luciano Giacosa and Co.
- 3- the book "Cartridges And Firearm Identification" by Robert E. Walker published by CRC Press, which devotes a page to FIE (Firearms Import and Export) in which is specified:

One Italian gunsmith whose name corresponds to the initials, and who also supplied weapons to the two successive American importers who distributed massively. The correspondence can reasonably be found. Luciano Giacosa, a gunsmith in Brescia, can therefore be identified with the owner of the GLB logo.

Second, what types of weapons did it produce? According to the evidence gathered, he made both cartridge weapons and black powder replicas.

Cartridge Weapons
On the one hand, the article in the book "Pistols of the World" already quoted clearly indicates that Giacosa manufactured closed frame revolvers of .32 caliber and .38 caliber for the importer EIG (Saul Eig, Sarasota FL). Evidence of this can be found on the Internet, with images such as those found on this site: Eig Italian revolver - The Firing Line Forums, which show a revolver made in 1965, a copy of a Smith and Wesson bearing the on the frame the mark "EIG" and on the bottom of the backstrap the "GLB" logo.

These two types are the only ones for which it can be said with certainty that Giacosa made them. Insofar as black powder replicas, as evidenced by Dr. Jim Davis's article "Schneider and Glassick - The "Accidental " Replica Revolver" published on his website RPRCA (Replica Percussion Revolver Collector Association, which no longer exists due to the passing of Davis in September 2019), Giacosa provided EIG with replicas of Schneider and Glassick as early as 1963. This model has been available in two forms: a simple, no-frills model, and a "luxury" model, also as early as 1963, with engravings on all metal parts (load lever excepted).

After the demise of EIG, Giacosa continued to supply its successor, FIE (Firearms Import Export), until 1971, and then gave way to Esterina Riva.

With the arrival of FIE on the market, at least four other models of replica handguns have appeared, all historically incorrect, but inexpensive to produce and therefore for sale to American shooters: an 1848 Pocket Model .31 with brass frame and squareback trigger guard with two barrel lengths, and a brass frame 1851 Schneider and Glassick with naval battle engraving on the cylinder .44 caliber, a Remington 1858 Army .44 with a brass frame, and a Remington 1858 Navy .36 with brass frame. For FIE as well, but at a higher cost, GLB has also produced a fully nickeled S&G.

Until 1968, U.S. law did not require manufacturers to trademark weapons. This is why a number of revolvers produced by Giacosa bear only the importer's trademark. In this case, for the S&G, EIG NAVY on the barrel and the EIG logo in a pair of circles on the backstrap heel. The import of weapons, hitherto very unregulated, saw its rules tightened with the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which quickly led to the collapse of companies such as EIG Cutlery. The activity was taken over by FIE, which introduced even cheaper but lower quality weapons, which allowed it to last until the early 1990s."




Regards,

Jim

3
Marks, makers and date codes / FAP Pietta Older Logo
« on: October 31, 2020, 02:52:47 PM »
Found on older Pietta revolvers, mostly in the 70'-80's.




4
Marks, makers and date codes / FBB
« on: October 31, 2020, 01:58:57 PM »
Fusav di Bini & Baronio, a short-lived Italian company founded in October, 1977. Most were brass framed 1851 Navy .36 revolvers, primarily for the European market. At least one revolver has a Hawes barrel stamp.

























Regards,

Jim

5
Marks, makers and date codes / GAMI
« on: October 21, 2020, 06:08:55 PM »
GAMI. A small Northern Italy manufacturing company of the 1970's which seems to have been integrated into Pietta in 1978. Marking found on Pietta revolvers 1971 (XX7) and 1978 (AD) in Europe. Doubtful any US Pietta revolvers were marked as such. Marking is the four letters in a flat diamond (note the similarity with the the Pietta diamond FAP logo). The pieces of these two firms are more or less compatible, most likely because Pietta contracted with GAMI for parts prior to Pietta going to CNC machining in ~2002.

This on a Pietta 1858 Remington NMN .36.



If anyone has anything to add or detract to, please post it.

Regards,

Jim

6
Confederate Revolvers / Uberti Miniatures Continued
« on: October 10, 2020, 05:48:24 PM »
1860 Army 3-Screw, 1860 Army 4-Screw CFS with shoulder stock, and 1851 Navy 4-Screw CFS with shoulder stock.









































And here is the teaser: Paterson #5, Walker, and Whitneyville Hartford Dragoon.



Regards,

Jim












7
Confederate Revolvers / Uberti Miniature Percussion Revolvers
« on: October 10, 2020, 05:43:54 PM »
[Prologue: I started this thread as Mr. Long Johns Wolf piqued my interest in them. He is the curator of the Hunzinger Collection in Germany and has given permission to use the photos from that collection. These revolvers are miniatures in 1:2.125 scale. He has provided a very good link which is quite extensive insofar as miniatures are concerned, and many of these are beyond the scope of this thread.

www.american-frontier-miniatures.com.

Enjoy!]

Note: serial numbers vary from prefix PM to numbers with no prefix.

The size comparison: replica Uberti G&G .36 compared to a mini G&G .36 and a mini G&G .44.



The Griswold & Gunnison .44 PM03 and the Griswold &Gunnison .36 PM01.



The G&G PM01.





The Dance & Brothers .36 PM05.





The Schneider & Glassick .44.


 




The London Navy 1851 3-Screw PM15 and 4-Screw PM146 with shoulder stock.






8
Shoulder Stocked Revolvers / Armi San Paolo 1860 Army With Shoulder Stock
« on: September 21, 2020, 03:52:45 PM »
Armi San Paolo 1860 Army With Shoulder Stock (AC/1977)











I was in the process of purchasing it when the seller withdrew from the sale because a family member wanted it. The price was $450 and I offered a good trade, but it never came to fruition.

Anyway, photos of a very rare item.

Regards,

Jim

9
Schneider & Glassick / The Schneider & Glassick SN 25
« on: September 16, 2020, 06:24:15 PM »
I have long been interested in the scarcity of the S&G revolver in these modern days. It is believed that no more than a few dozen were produced, if that.

There are only three documented S&G revolvers extant in the present day, two are brass-framed .36 caliber with octagonal barrels (SN 6 and 23) and one with an iron frame and part round/part octagonal barrel (SN 12M). [Reference Confederate Handguns, Albaugh, Benet, Simmons (1958)].

I have found references to a SN 25 that was supposed to be housed in The Battle Abbey Museum in Richmond VA. [Confederate Revolvers, William A. Gary (1987), pg.154]. IIRC, when someone went looking for it, the museum was no longer in possession of it.

In my searchings, I found a site (I wish I could keep better records) with SN 25 that had many photos of it.

This is photo heavy, but I believe to be pertinent. My friend in SC has a last name very similar to the engraving on the backstrap's owner's last name, so I showed these photos to him. His wife is somewhat of a geneologist and looked the Captain's name up, and it turns out he is a very distant relative of my friend. What a find in my mind!































The serial number 25 is very evident on many parts, and I seriously do not think it is a fake, rather it may be (?) the missing revolver from the above mentioned museum. I cannot be sure of that.

That would make it #4 insofar as S&G revolvers extant.

That revolver has got to be worth big bucks if substantiated. No provenance that I am aware of.

Regards,

Jim

10
Introductions / New Member Kim Hyatt
« on: August 17, 2020, 01:25:12 PM »
Welcome to our newest member Kim Hyatt! Kim is the owner of the R.G. Wilson Firearms Specialties 1860 Army revolver cased set.

Make yourself at home and introduce yourself!

Regards,

Jim

11
New Member and Collector Information / Welcome!
« on: July 28, 2020, 02:22:58 PM »
Welcome to all that have happened upon this Forum!

My name is Jim, aka sourdough, and I am a Moderator on this great place! I would like to invite all who have ventured here, whether by accident or intentionally, to join in. This forum, unlike most BP forums you might have chanced upon, is primarily concerned with replica/reproduction collector revolvers. It was created in 2010 because Dr. Jim L. Davis, originator of the RPRCA (Replica Percussion Revolver Collector Association) several decades ago, wanted more dissemination of the idea that the modern reproduction cap & ball revolvers of many manufacturers/importers would be very collectible in the future, and we on this forum agree.

If you are a new member, please introduce yourself and give us an idea as to your interests and what you personally have. We always love photos!!

We ask that you please peruse all of the pertinent sections/threads before replying.

If you are a lurker and think you may not fit because you don't think you have much knowledge or information, this is not a know-it-all collector forum, and we do not make the rules as to what constitutes "collectible". Anyone with a BP replica or two (or twenty!) wanting to show it/them off without being ridiculed or made to feel as if they don't qualify is more than welcome to do so. As an example, if your interest is collecting Confederate brass-framed revolvers and the oldest one in your collection is, say, two years old, that's not something we disdain here at all.

Please become a member and, if you have questions, PM me and I will try to guide you to the best of my knowledge.

Sincerest regards,

Jim

12
General Discussion / Euromanufacture 1980 Catalog
« on: July 27, 2020, 03:57:04 PM »
I tend to save links to various stuff and am usually not very organized.  :o  I was looking for something today unrelated to this thread and found this, but I thought you all might enjoy a bit of nostalgia. If you are versed in the French language, more power to you. I think the photos from this time period are worth a bunch. It was posted in 2014 on a French site by Ringo, who is a member on Colt Country. This is the start of his post:

I just received a copy of the catalogue published by Euromanufacture (A Mainardi in Brescia) in 1980 (according to my supplier). As it is quite thick, I scan it several times, starting at the beginning (!): the revolvers. If you look at the illustrations, you may recognize some of the details of the weapons that may have sold under other brands, which would confirm the information that Euromanufacture's production was sold to other "manufacturers", including some of the best known, who put their mark on them before reselling them.

The rest are photos. VERY picture heavy. Enjoy!
















Regards,

Jim


13
This post/thread was made by Dr. Davis on the FirearmsTALK forum on March 18 2010:

Gentlemen, I really need your help. I am trying to put together the history of Armi San Marco. I seem to have misplaced the file containing all my research about this manufacturer, worse still I am afraid that it may have been in my warehouse which was recently destroyed by fire along with three collectable Mercedes automobiles. Now I am starting from scratch about ASM.

ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. Also, ASM use forged frames instead of castings on many of their revolvers.

Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. This was sold and moved to Marietta, OH., and then, in around 1973, was sold to Navy Arms. Allen then started Western Arms which became Allen Arms, and then to Cimarron.

I remember that ASM was sold to American Western Arms who only produces cartridge revolvers. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back.

I need sources of information to reestablish the history of ASM and fill in holes. Any help provided will be gratefully acknowledged in out book when published.


To correlate my next thoughts:

I bought this 1848 Pocket .31 6" in 2015 on GunBroker. It was marked Replica Arms El Paso Texas date code XIX/1963 with both Italian proofmarks. No manufacturer markings. I asked around about it and the first (and only) response I received was from Dr. Davis, who stated it was an ASM first year of manufacture. Early ASM revolvers had a unique sloped look insofar as the rear shoulders on the trigger guard, as well as in the area of the load lever/rammer attachment.



This next Pocket belongs to a gentleman in France, the photo of which I obtained from him. It is marked ASM, and it has the same certain characteristics as above, but the recoil shield cutout and the load aperture on the barrel lug are more like the 1849 Pocket. Both revolvers have the short frame, the short forcing cone, and the SB TG like the original 1848 revolvers. ASM in the early years was fairly historically correct insofar as the original Colts. If one studies the original Colt 1848/1849 revolvers



I was intrigued with Davis' mention of Western Arms.

Uberti Dance .36 Cased Set date code AN/1985 SN 0028. Per Davis, it was sold as the Shooter Model with no SN prefix, and the barrel is marked SMLS-INC.-ANGLETON.-TEXAS . It has the original Western Arms/Uberti box. SMLS INC.-ANGLETON.-TEXAS (Southwest Muzzle Loaders Shooters Supply) was an outfit owned/created by Tony Gajewsky. He commissioned a 1-year run of Pietta 1862 Dance And Brothers in 1996, and I own SN C00013 of that series. He must also had a connection with Western Arms/Uberti with Uberti's 1985 one year issue of Dance .36 revolvers.

(Photos: Mark Hubbs/Eras Gone)











There is also a connection concerning Cimarron (formerly Western Arms) and Uberti in the present day.

IMHO, without the files from Dr. Davis (which may be published in the future), and unless we delve into decades-ago Internet posts we will not know many of the associations of the manufacturers/importers just here in the U.S. It is intriguing to me and that is why I am probably the nerd red-headed stepson on this forum.  :)

I will continue in this vein.

Regards,

Jim















14
Marks, makers and date codes / Various Info on Marks
« on: July 20, 2020, 02:45:20 PM »
This is a French site but was was able to easily translate it to English using either Chrome or the newest version of Edge (Win 10).

http://poudrenoire.free.fr/Fabricants%20historique.html

This from Dr. Davis posted July 25, 2010

Manufacturing of Replica Revolvers

It is coming to light that there was a great deal more sharing of parts among the Italian manufacturers than was ever suspected.  During the 1960’s, 1970’s, and into the 1980’s there was a bonanza market for the replica revolvers.  The major manufacturers could not meet the demand.  American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced.

There were a good many very small “family shops” in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy.  It is becoming apparent that the major manufacturers used these shops as sub-contractors as a source of parts as well as complete revolvers for those distributors seeking cheaper and cheaper guns.  The well known manufacturers did not want their name and reputation on a cheaper firearm, so these were subbed out.  These small manufacturers started with supplying only parts and then evolved into completed guns.  It is possible that these shops did not have an Italian firearms manufacturer’s license so could not sale their products direct, so they were sold through other manufacturers who had a license.  So we have a group of markings appearing on replica revolvers that will never be identified because of the special conditions in the market at that time.  There is a complete lack of any records.

Are these in themselves collectable?  You bet they are!  They represent an historic connection of the time and thus become a very important collectable firearm.  They may not be pretty or of good quality, but, just as one of the most valuable postage stamp in the world is also the ugliest and of the worst quality possible.  Yet this stamp is worth over one million dollars.  These cheaper, unknown manufacturers are a valuable part of the history of the Replica Revolver Industry.

It is a known fact that the Italian arms industry was on the verge of collapse during the 1950’s and 1960’s.  Italy had been through World War II with the destruction of their factories and the loss of many fine Gunsmiths, and the Korean War was winding down.  The demand, world wide, for arms was shrinking.  This was made worse with Russia and China becoming the cheapest and most prolific supplier of military arms in the world.  The Replica Firearms Industry literally saved a large portion of the Italian arms industry until they could get back on their feet.

Some of these markings are:

DOM           
COM
Double Diamond Logo
PR
Mofra
"O.O.M.-Gardone-V.T"
Unknown -   - GB?


This from Poudrenoire on January 15, 2012.

According to the director of the Palmetto ,  double diamond logo  is the hallmark of the old company EUROMANUFACTURE .
MOFRA = MOFRA di Mainardi, Italian manufacturer which later became Euromanufacture later to become Palmetto .

C.O.M gardone Vt = OOM gardone = DOM gardone VT  . bad typing !!  combination of several Italian manufacturers

PR  unknow , PR, not formally identified, potential PRoduction association .

GB  possibility of  Bad typing GLB   ,  B inside L inside G    so GLB = Giacosa Luciano  Brescia    manufacturer Euromanuarms .

15
Shoulder Stocked Revolvers / Pietta 1860 Army Shoulder Stocked
« on: July 16, 2020, 04:43:41 PM »
This is a Pietta 1860 Army date code BH/1996. (As an addendum, this was the same year that Pietta produced the commissioned Dance .36 revolver, which is discussed in the Dance forum). The stock wood is good but the grip wood is even better insofar as figure. This revolver almost looks like it has never been handled and is probably a safe queen. This is an unreal (to me) Pietta 1860 Army .44 date code BH/1996 with very good wood on both the stock and grip.

Found it on an Internet search for shoulder stocked revolvers. Enjoy!









































Pages: [1] 2 3