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Marks, makers and date codes / Re: FBB
« on: May 23, 2021, 03:27:51 PM »
Found another FBB marked revolver on GB and posted the seller's photos on this thread. Lots of guns coming out of the woodwork these days.


According to the late Dr. Jim L. Davis, the first year of manufacture was 1963 for the Replica Arms El Paso Texas importer.

Here are two I used to have. The first is a Replica Arms El Paso Texas datecode XIX/1963 and the second is a Replica Arms Marietta Ohio datecode XXV/1969. The rear shoulders on the trigger guards of ASM Pockets have a distinctive shallow slope, they have the short frame, short forcing cone, and the shallow V-notch load aperture on the right barrel lug, which are historically accurate. All are 5-shot here, but I have seen a photo of an ASM 6-shot 6".



Leech & Rigdon / Re: Dance and Leech & Rigdon Navy Project
« on: April 23, 2021, 03:50:40 PM »
I would have to concur, somewhat. ASP wood tended to be on the lighter side insofar as color. I am curious about the "medallion" on the wood.

The last two look like Pietta Large Tail revolvers due to the trigger guard curvature and the wide butt.

I just found another one.

This is SN C00017. Added to database.

Still awaiting photos from Fingers about SN C00034.

5 found, only 30 more to go.  ;)



Photo Gallery! / Re: Where are all the collectors gone?
« on: April 09, 2021, 02:52:06 PM »
It has been my recent experience that there are a lot of noobs on many forums, and I believe it may be due to the severe lack of cartridge ammunition and guns that shoot them. Many, many posts I have seen ask for a profuse amount of information, but these guys don't seem to want to lift their pinky finger to do any research on their own.

Rant over.



Photo Gallery! / Re: Photo Gallery
« on: April 09, 2021, 02:18:14 PM »
It is definitely one of "the" 35 revolvers marked DANCE FIREARMS CO. - ANGLETON, TEXAS. It is the first one I have seen with with all of the barrel makings not infilled in white.

The seller's barrel photo are very dark so I massaged this one to allow the barrel-top markings to show.

Just this morning I believe I have found SN C00017; I have asked the owner to send me some photos.

That makes 5 out of 35. Only 30 left to go.  8)



Leech & Rigdon / Re: Project Leech & Rigdon in Progress
« on: March 23, 2021, 02:17:27 PM »
Photo of an early Uberti L&R with plain/non-engraved cylinder. Note the V-notch load aperture.

They are now produced with an engraved Navy cylinder. Go figure.



Leech & Rigdon / Re: Project Leech & Rigdon in Progress
« on: March 21, 2021, 03:39:50 PM »
These two Uberti C&B revolvers started life as Colt 1851 Navy replicas. The upper one is of 2020, the lower one of 1969 (XXV) production.

They are currently being transformed into Leech & Ridgon Navies.

Wolf, it amazes me as to the resources, both financial and professional gunsmith capabilities you have. Truly envious, sir!

The barrels are round already, the cylinder engraving has been removed as is the capping groove of the 2020 pistol.

I am very surprised that, as Uberti 1851 Navy revolvers, they have a part round/part octagonal barrel. IMO, quite a stroke of luck.

What is interesting are the inherent subtle differences of the 2020 compared to the 1969 made Ubertis:
# after the basic transformation steps the 2020 production Navy looks beefier, more like a 3rd Model Dragoon.

I am not sure why your perception is so, but all in the eye of the beholder. Huge differences between CNC and pre-CNC guns.

# the contour of the grips differs significantly.

Absolutely. Your Uberti 2020 is a product of CNC machining and there was a redesign of the 1851 Navy gripframe to accommodate popular opinion among replica buyers that the older models "did not look like a Colt grip". Pietta did the same thing in 2015 because folks did not like the modern "tail" design, nor did they like the smaller tail design prior to CNC (2001 and earlier).

# size and shape of the loading opening of the barrel lug are different.

Most of the Uberti 1851 Navy "type" revolvers have a shallow "V"-notch for a load aperture. Things may have been different earlier or presently.

# look at the radius of the loading levers.

Again, the pre-CNC guns are unlike the CNC guns (~2002 to present).

My Pietta Leech & Rigdon with some nicer wood I obtained elsewhere. Lots of billboards, which you would have removed if yours.

Given that you have a machinist to access, I would suggest you create a Rigdon & Ansley with a 12-stop-slot cylinder and remove the rear safety pins.

Here is mine using a Pietta 1851 Navy and parts:

Both pistols were fitted already with the "Mississippi" style loading lever latch.

I have no idea what a "Mississippi" load lever latch is, and have never heard of it before. I am thinking it may be of the early pin-and-ball style, but none of the Confederate 1851 Navy "type" manufacturers (G&G, S&G, L&R, R&A, AMW, Columbus Firearms Manufacturing Company, L.E. Tucker & Sons, George Todd, Tucker, Sherrard, and Co., nor Dance Brothers) ever used anything but the Colt style Navy horizontal latch because they were copying the most popular belt revolver of the era.

Long Johns Wolf

Walker / Re: Colt 1847 Walker - Another Project - Idea Generation
« on: March 07, 2021, 01:45:01 PM »
Hi Wolf,

It seems as if you have had this project in mind for a while. Saw your post on the SASS Forum around June 2020 with this photo:

I would be very interested in more information about the one in the Connecticut State Museum.

I have nothing to add info-wise. Good luck and keep us apprised!



Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Low-Hammer Spur 1862 Tucker & Sherrard Dragoon
« on: January 08, 2021, 02:48:50 PM »
That is looking sooo great! Thanks for keeping us apprised upon the work.

You are blessed to have such a competent man turning your whims in to reality, and I am going to state something that is probably a given:

Good work does not come cheap!



General Discussion / Re: Evolution of the (Colt) Revolver
« on: December 28, 2020, 06:59:38 AM »
ASM, date code XIX. One can always identify ASM Pockets by the sloping trigger guard shoulders.

I used to own the top revolver with the same date code, Replica Arms El Paso Texas.

Here's another RA, but Marietta Ohio.


Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Low-Hammer Spur 1862 Tucker & Sherrard Dragoon
« on: December 25, 2020, 01:26:34 PM »
I( like it! the revolver is coming along nicely IMO.

Is it just my old eyes or is the rear of the trigger guard bow bent?



Please give us the glam with photos. I have just recently acquired Deaton's book and need to know more about what I feel is a very convoluted Colt repro (yes, that is what it is whether you and others agree or not) especially as it concerns 3rd party Commemoratives. I realize that there are many people who disdain the idea that these are nothing other than true American produced Colt revolvers, but the history speaks otherwise.



Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Low-Hammer Spur 1862 Tucker & Sherrard Dragoon
« on: December 20, 2020, 11:17:19 AM »
Looking very good!

Keep the progress photos coming!


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