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Cased Sets / Cased 1849 Pocket Model
« on: January 20, 2021, 12:36:58 PM »
Mailman dropped this 1863 vintage, 6 shot, 4 inch barrel 1849 Pocket Model yesterday.  It's nothing special.  It has some bluing showing, along with faded case colors.   It locks up with no over rotation, and has no cylinder turn line. The case is by Bill's Cases, Flask is a modern reproduction, as is the cap tin.  Nipple wrench is 2nd Gen and the mold is a well used original - I think.  I've already swapped the Flask and mold with what I think are originals.  I need to get my Percussion Accoutrements book out and do some research.


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Cased Sets / 1851 Navy and 3rd Model Dragoon 2 drawer set
« on: January 09, 2021, 11:07:16 AM »
Class B engraved and inlaid C series 1851 Navy and 3rd Model Dragoon in 2 drawer Colt case with mostly 2nd Gen accessories. 

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General Discussion / New Year, starting the search anew
« on: January 06, 2021, 02:13:12 PM »
In the early to mid 1980s, Uberti produced a line of stainless steel percussion Colt revolvers that were imported to the US by Allen Firearms, Santa Fe, NM; Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Inc. Angleton, TX, Uberti USA, Navy Arms, and Western Arms Corp and possibly others.  They are now also known to have been sold in Europe under the HEGE dealer name.

Phil Spangenberger did an article about these stainless revolvers in the October 1983 issue of Guns and Ammo Magazine. According to the article, the models that were being imported were the 1851 Navy, 1860 Army, 1861 Navy, 1862 Pocket Navy, and 1862 Pocket police. Thanks to Dr. J.L. Davis of RPRCA, Claremore, OK, I have a 1984 price list for Uberti products that lists fourteen different models of Stainless Steel Colts produced by Uberti at that time. Subsequent price lists expanded the line to 16 models by adding 4 ½ inch barreled Pocket Navy and Pocket Police. The complete model list, known so far, is:

1851 Navy, Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy, Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1860 Army, Military, Cut For Stock, Cal. .44 *
1860 Army, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .44*
1861 Navy, Military, Cut For Stock, Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1861 Navy, Civilian, Revolver, Cal. .36
1861 Navy, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36*
1861 Navy, Civilian, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
(* - have identified location of examples of these models)


The current total of known revolvers is 37; number 37 being found by on GunBroker by Shotgun Dave back in April. I have 5 of these revolvers now after picking two up from Dr Davis's RPRCA collection being sold by October Country. And know of thirty-two in the hands of other collectors or BP shooters. Five of the 32 are located overseas - One in England, one in Spain, one in Poland, and two in Switzerland.

Anyone with information concerning Allen Firearms, Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Western Arms or any other Uberti Stainless Steel Colt style revolvers is requested to contact fingersmcgee@charter.net  I am seeking information as to models, manufacture dates, serial numbers, barrel markings, barrel lengths, trigger guards, and any other characteristics as well as any catalog, brochure and original packaging information.

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Stainless Steel Replicas / New Year, time to reserect the search
« on: January 06, 2021, 01:50:59 PM »
In the early to mid 1980s, Uberti produced a line of stainless steel percussion Colt revolvers that were imported to the US by Allen Firearms, Santa Fe, NM; Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Inc. Angleton, TX, Uberti USA, Navy Arms, and Western Arms Corp and possibly others.  They are now also known to have been sold in Europe under the HEGE dealer name.

Phil Spangenberger did an article about these stainless revolvers in the October 1983 issue of Guns and Ammo Magazine. According to the article, the models that were being imported were the 1851 Navy, 1860 Army, 1861 Navy, 1862 Pocket Navy, and 1862 Pocket police. Thanks to Dr. J.L. Davis of RPRCA, Claremore, OK, I have a 1984 price list for Uberti products that lists fourteen different models of Stainless Steel Colts produced by Uberti at that time. Subsequent price lists expanded the line to 16 models by adding 4 ½ inch barreled Pocket Navy and Pocket Police. The complete model list, known so far, is:

1851 Navy, Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy, Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1860 Army, Military, Cut For Stock, Cal. .44 *
1860 Army, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .44*
1861 Navy, Military, Cut For Stock, Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1861 Navy, Civilian, Revolver, Cal. .36
1861 Navy, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36*
1861 Navy, Civilian, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
(* - have identified location of examples of these models)


The current total of known revolvers is 37; number 37 being found by on GunBroker by Shotgun Dave back in April. I have 5 of these revolvers now after picking two up from Dr Davis's RPRCA collection being sold by October Country. And know of thirty-two in the hands of other collectors or BP shooters. Five of the 32 are located overseas - One in England, one in Spain, one in Poland, and two in Switzerland.

Anyone with information concerning Allen Firearms, Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Western Arms or any other Uberti Stainless Steel Colt style revolvers is requested to contact fingersmcgee@charter.net  I am seeking information as to models, manufacture dates, serial numbers, barrel markings, barrel lengths, trigger guards, and any other characteristics as well as any catalog, brochure and original packaging information.

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Cased Sets / Signature Series Case and Accessories
« on: January 01, 2021, 01:36:03 PM »
I've never been a fan of Sig Series cases.  They are all oversized and weigh a ton  The apparent one size fits many approach doesn't do justice to the accessories or the revolver being cased. Case in point, there has been a pocket model case with accessories listed on eBay for quite a while for $300.00 (A steal IMHO) with no takers. Every time I spotted the listing I was tempted to pull the trigger.  Then the seller dropped the price to $200.00.  Post Man delivered it yesterday.  Packaging was non-existent [photo 1]; but fortunately there was no damage to case or accessories. When lain out in the case (photo 2], the accessories are overwhelmed by the space allowed which even swallows up the 62 Pocket Navy that the case was made for [photo 3].  A little switchy swappy using a Dixon & Sons bag flask and a Pietta .36 Cal US Marshall model utilizes the space much better [photo 4] IMNSHO.



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I recently purchased this press kit off of eBay. 

Vintage 1979 press kit from Colt Firearms for the release of their 2nd Generation black powder cap and ball revolvers. Includes outside folder, two press releases, product information sheets and a photo of each of the revolvers except for the Baby Dragoon, plus a photo of the accessories.


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Bullet Moulds / 2nd Gen Bullet Molds
« on: July 22, 2020, 04:29:16 PM »
Here are some 2nd Gen bullet molds.  From left to right;

W5045 - 1851 Navy, 1861 Navy, .36Cal, brass, straight legs, "Colt's Patent" stamped between pin and
                 funnel of CCH cutter.
W5057 - 1st, 2nd, 3rd Model Dragoons, .44 Cal, brass semi straight legs with curved tips, two line
                 "Colt's Patent" between pin and funnel of CCH cutter.
W5085 - 1860 Army, .44 Cal, blued steel with bow legs, 2 line "Colt's Patent" between pin and funnel of
                CCH cutter. 44H stamped near hinge pin.
W5097 - 1862 Pocket Models, .36 Cal, Blued steel straight legs, 2 line "Colt's Patent". 36P stamped near
                the hinge pin.
W5099 - Baby Dragoon, .31 Cal, brass straight leg body w/o sprue cutter,2 line "Colt's Patent" stamped
                across top of the mold body'

Not pictured are 2 extremely rare molds:

W5099 - 1847 Walker, .44 Cal, single cavity mold for conical bullets only.  Blued steel  bow leg body with
                 tiller handle sprue cutter.  Two line "Colt's Patent" stamped in an oval football shape between
                 the pin and blued steel cutter.
W5085 - 1861 Navy, .36 Cal, Blued steel straight legged body with two line "Colt's Patent" stamped
                between the hinge pin and blued steel cutter.  The caliber 36B is stamped near the hinge pin.

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Powder Flasks / 2nd Gen Flasks
« on: July 22, 2020, 12:24:41 PM »

Back in April of 2018 I posted this information on 2nd Gen powder flasks.  I figure it would be nice to post it again to stir some interest on the Collecting Forum

Listed and shown below are 7 of the nine different 2nd Gen flasks,  The two missing are variations of the Walker/Dragoon flask. All 2nd Gen flasks, except the Dixon bag flask, have Colt's Patent embossed on the face.


W5095 - Small Eagle flask with deep blue/black finish for Baby Dragoon, Pocket Navy, and Pocket Police flask
W5046 - Bag Flask in the US Grant Commemorative 1851 Navy
W5047 V1 - Medium flask with deep blue/black finish for F series 1851 and 1861 Navies
W5047 V2 - Medium flask with a blue/gray finish in the R.E.Lee commemorative 1851 Navy
W5047 V3 - Medium flask with a pewter finish for late C series 1851 Navies
W5083 - Medium flask with a heavy blue/black finish for F series 1860 Armies.
              The W5047 V1 and W5083 are identical except for the powder spout.
 W5056 V1 - Walker/Dragoon flask - other variations are finished or stamped differently.

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Stainless Steel Replicas / Some more of the 37
« on: July 19, 2020, 11:41:33 AM »
more SS Uberti Colt's

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Stainless Steel Replicas / Some of the SS Uberti Colts
« on: July 19, 2020, 11:29:29 AM »
A few of the 37 SS Uberti Colts that have been identified to date:

first picture top to bottom:
1851 Navy
1861 Navy
1862 Pocket Navy

second picture top to botton
1861 Navy 7 1/2 inch
1862 Pocket Police 5 1/2 inch
1862 Pocket Police 4 1/2 inch

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Pocket Revolvers / Cased London 1849 Pocket Model
« on: July 15, 2020, 03:24:58 PM »
I thought I had posted this before; but, I can't find it. So I'll do it again. I claim Parkinson's memory loss for not knowing where I posted it. This one qualifies under more than 1 classification, Pocket Models and Cased Sets.  In January I won a GunBroker Auction for a London model Colt 1849 Pocket model made in 1854. 

Enjoy


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Cased Sets / A couple Piettas
« on: July 12, 2020, 01:09:51 PM »
This double pistol set is made up of components collected over the past 29 years.  The bullet mold and one of the Armies came from a single Army cased set purchased as a Christmas present to myself in 1991 from Cabelas Christmas catalog. The complete set was $240.00, It was one of IIRC 5 different cased set models they catalogued that year.  In July of 2001 I picked up one of their sets that was a double pistol set consisting of a 3rd model Dragoon and an 1849 Pocket Model with matching serial numbers.  Sold that set in 2006.  Wish I had it back.  October Country has similar set for sale; but not matching Serial numbers and the nipple wrench is missing.  I can't remember where or when I got the double pistol case.  It's not a 2nd Gen.  Same with the nickel plated flask.  The second Army I bought off of GunBroker along with a shoulder stock in 2006.  I sold the shoulder stock for $160.00.  The Armies were used off and on in SASS competition for a few years until the frame pins sheared off on one of them during a match.  I didn't get around to fixing the pistol until a couple years ago, and it still hasn't been test fired.  These were one pair of the 10 or so pairs of guns I've used in SASS competition.  I probably would have won more matches if I'd have stuck to one pair.

So now, without further ado,  Here is the set:


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Photo Gallery! / GLB Schneider and Glassicks
« on: July 10, 2020, 01:43:36 PM »
In 2010 I purchased a consecutive serial numbered pair of nickel plated Schneider & Glassics made by GLB  [Luciano Giacosa - Brescia] and imported by FIE.  The frames are nickel plated brass and the date of manufacture is 1970.   

When I received them I noted that both had been fired at some point and needed cleaning.  Upon teardown I found that one of the pistols had a loose wedge that had been put in from the wrong side, broken sear/trigger, and both of them had loose arbors, to the point that they could unscrewed from the frame by hand.  I cleaned them up and put them in their original boxes, and put them on the shelf until I could find a parts gun for the wedge and trigger.  :o

It's been 10 years with no luck in finding a nickel plated wedge and trigger; so, I guess I'm gonna have to find someone with the expertise to fix them. :(   

Here are a couple old pictures:   :o



 

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General Discussion / Stainless Steel Uberti Percussion Colts
« on: July 08, 2020, 01:37:20 PM »
Not having updated this post since April, I figured now would be a good time.  In the last year, I sold 6 of the ten models I had, and picked up the two from October Country that Dr. Davis had in the RPRCA collection.  There are still a bunch of these amazing (just ask Shotgun Dave) pistols out there. :)

In the early to mid 1980s, Uberti produced a line of stainless steel percussion Colt revolvers that were imported to the US by Allen Firearms, Santa Fe, NM; Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Inc. Angleton, TX, Uberti USA, Navy Arms, and Western Arms Corp and possibly others.  They are now also known to have been sold in Europe under the HEGE dealer name. 

Phil Spangenberger did an article about these stainless revolvers in the October 1983 issue of Guns and Ammo Magazine. According to the article, the models that were being imported were the 1851 Navy, 1860 Army, 1861 Navy, 1862 Pocket Navy, and 1862 Pocket police. Thanks to Dr. J.L. Davis of RPRCA, Claremore, OK, I have a 1984 price list for Uberti products that lists fourteen different models of Stainless Steel Colts produced by Uberti at that time. Subsequent price lists expanded the line to 16 models by adding 4 ½ inch barreled Pocket Navy and Pocket Police. The complete model list, known so far, is:

1851 Navy, Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy, Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1860 Army, Military, Cut For Stock, Cal. .44 *
1860 Army, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .44*
1861 Navy, Military, Cut For Stock, Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1861 Navy, Civilian, Revolver, Cal. .36
1861 Navy, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36*
1861 Navy, Civilian, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
(* - have identified location of examples of these models)


The current total of known revolvers is 37 (Shotgun Dave having acquired #37). I have 5 of these revolvers and know of thirty-two in the hands of other collectors or BP shooters. Five of the 32 are located overseas - One in England, one in Spain, one in Poland, and two in Switzerland.

Anyone with information concerning Allen Firearms, Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Western Arms or any other Uberti Stainless Steel Colt style revolvers is requested to contact fingersmcgee@charter.net  I am seeking information as to models, manufacture dates, serial numbers, barrel markings, barrel lengths, trigger guards, and any other characteristics as well as any catalog, brochure and original packaging information.

Of course, if anyone has any for sale, I would be interested in that also.

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Griswold & Gunnison / Uberti Griswold and Gunnison
« on: June 29, 2020, 05:57:13 PM »
And, in the same lot from Rock Island, was a very rare Uberti Griswold & Gunnison made in 1971.  Unfired, unturned, in pristine condition. Brass frame, BS & TG are a mellow tan.  Unfortunately, I didn't get the box with this one.

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