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That's a great little booklet covering all Centaure models, variations and sub-variations.
US pards like to take the booklet to gunshows for an easy identification of Centaure variants.
Every C&B revolver aficionado should have one (I have two, ha).
Long Johns Wolf

Navy Models / Re: Navy Arms 1851 Colt Navy
« on: April 20, 2017, 04:28:54 PM »
If you completely disassemble the piece you might find assembly numbers.
Like on the front side of the cylinder, handwritten inside the wooden grip, on the left side of the butt strap, etc.
Back then these early G&Us required a lot of hand-fitting on the assembly line. But Italian labor was cheap. Val. Forgett payed something like $ 10.00/pistol.
The Italian replica industry began using computer aided manufacturing late. It happened at Uberti only in the early 2000s.
Hence if you feel parts should be exchanged the replacement parts are likely to appreciate some fitting.
You may wish to consult a smith that has experience with early Ubertis like Hoof Hearted from Texas.
Long Johns Wolf

Navy Models / Re: Navy Arms 1851 Colt Navy
« on: April 20, 2017, 02:32:01 PM »
The first imported into the USA - made 1959/60 - reportedly had no proof marks.
The early ones I had the privilege to inspect had only one visible serial number on the trigger guard. None on the barrel lug or frame.
The Italian proof marks are usually stamped on the left side of the frame and after you lifted the loading lever also on the bottom of the barrel close to the barrel lug.
Long Johns Wolf

Navy Models / Re: Navy Arms 1851 Colt Navy
« on: April 20, 2017, 11:02:55 AM »
These G&U percussion revolvers are rare species.
From what little I could find out Gregorelli and Uberti had their active partnership from 1959 through sometime in early 1963. That is after they made this deal with Val Forgett jr. about the supply of percussion revolver replicas in due time before the centennial of the Civil War and then some.
Their first 1851s did not have the Ormsby cylinder scene, no safety pins on the breech side of the cylinder and lacked the corresponding slot in the hammer. The only visible serial number is on the TG.
Currently known G&U marked pistols are replicas of the Colt 1851 Navy 7,5", 4 5/8" & 5,5" barrel variants, the CS pendant Griswold & Gunnison (brass frame & round barrel) 7,5" & 5,5" barrel variants, CS Leech & Rigdon 7,5" & 5,5" barrel variants, Remington New Model 1863 Army & Navy.
G&U also did a clone of the Sharps 4-shot pepperbox in .22 short. The specimen I have seen is from 1962. Which would make it the first cartridge gun with a Uberti name on it.
Would you care to share the date code of your pistol with us?
Long Johns Wolf

Very nice & stimulating, thanks for sharing.
Long Johns Wolf

Colts / Re: Miniatures
« on: January 19, 2017, 11:37:17 AM »
A few more pics, pards & pardettes.
Long Johns Wolf

Colts / Re: Miniatures
« on: January 18, 2017, 11:04:07 AM »
1:2, Captain.
These pistols function but they do not shoot.
Attached is another pic that might bring the size somewhat better into perspective.
There seems to be another niche market out there for miniature guns. Which I overlooked completely.
Not only of Uberti CW and cowboy guns but other types by other makers as well. Like auto pistols, submachine guns etc.
Long Johns Wolf

Colts / Miniatures
« on: January 17, 2017, 05:31:34 PM »
Uberti made a couple of different models like this 1851 2nd Model Squareback Navy  during the 1990s. Plain Jane and engraved ones, a few even with ivory grips.
I know because I just met a pard who owns quite a number of them and he showed me his collection!
That is impressive quality craftsmanship.
Long Johns Wolf

Cased Sets / Re: Engraved and gold plated 1862 Pocket Navy
« on: December 09, 2016, 10:34:14 AM »
Wow, my congrats Fingers!
Is that a factory engraved Pocket Navy?
Long Johns Wolf

The Centaure Colts / Re: 3-Screw Frame 1860s with Notches in Recoil Shield
« on: November 29, 2016, 01:48:30 PM »
Another Centaure Story: Regular New Model Army #5000 is a run-of-the-mill RNMA 1st variation 2nd sub-variation from 1966.
In other words a classic Centaure.
We learnt about her in December 2015 only. I bring her to your attention because she is another Centaure with a history.
During the proof testing procedure back then the Liège Proof House selected her for a torture test.
They fired 200 balls through her without cleaning.
When #5000 made it through this test with flying colors she was not added to another order of Centennial Arms Corporation of Lincolnwood, IL, the Centaure distributor in the U.S.A.
She was honorably transferred to the Hanquet collection instead, owner family of Fabriques d'Armes Unies de Liège (FAUL) and makers of the Centaures.
Long Johns Wolf

The Centaure Colts / Re: 3-Screw Frame 1860s with Notches in Recoil Shield
« on: November 23, 2016, 09:25:17 PM »
Based on our research since summer of 2007 the total productionb output was between 16,000 and 16,000 Centaures only.
They were produced between fall of 1959 and early summer 1973 in just 5 models (Regular New Model Army (RNMA), Civilian Model, Cavalry Model, Pocket Army Model, Marshal Model).
The official launch was 1960 in the USA with #1 RNMA followed in summer of 1960 with the #2 Civilian Model.
Long Johns Wolf

The Centaure Colts / Re: 3-Screw Frame 1860s with Notches in Recoil Shield
« on: November 23, 2016, 09:42:25 AM »
A good friend from Montana let me liberate this Centaure RNMA 1st variation 1st sub-variation from his collection in October 2016.
She looks almost new. What is cute about her?
No visible serial numbers. Where the visible serial numbers should be stamped the pistol is marked M.
M for Model gun. What a find.
You can see the actual serial numbers only when the pistol is disassembled ... which is #4 ... except for the cylinder which is #644.
While barrel and frame are  stamped with the inspector mark * over R (sideways) for Sylvain Wegemans - served at the Liège Proof house between 1951 and 1965 the cylinder is stamped with * over U (sideways) for Jacques Fuchs - served 1960 to 1968.
If this were a Centaure with all matching numbers the cylinder were stamped #4 and the inspector mark were like the one on barrel lug and Frame, i.e. * over R!
An indication that the cylinder was exchanged at one time during the life of this RNMA.
The $ 100000.00 question here is: why would the cylinder of a model gun need replacing? Any thoughts?
This is a Centaure from the first production batch in 1959.
I am very happy to have M#4 in my Centaure herd.
Before you ask only 3 Centaure Model guns have surfaced and are documented, namely M#1, M#4 and M#5.
We have #3 in the Centaure data bank which is a "regular" production RNMA. The whereabouts of #2 are currently unknown.
Long Johns Wolf

Remingtons / Re: Santa Barbara from Spain NEW MODEL ARMY
« on: June 19, 2016, 12:43:57 PM »
These two pics are on the side of the original carton of a Santa Barbara Remmy.
Long Johns Wolf

Remingtons / Re: Santa Barbara from Spain NEW MODEL ARMY
« on: June 01, 2016, 09:40:28 AM »
Excellent idea, Macgloy.
I am glad to learn that somebody is accepting the task and researching these underrated quality Remmies from the 1970s.
Like the Belgian Centaures they come without the ugly BLACK POWDER ONLY on the barrel!
I hope Dr. Jim Davis from RPRCA will chime in soon. He is THE MAN and very deep into the subject.
I wish you luck with your research project.
Long Johns Wolf

The Centaure Colts / Re: 4-Screw Frame Colt 1860 Pattern Pistols
« on: April 26, 2016, 09:15:17 AM »
Thanks for your kind words, Captainkirk.
There is one currently on auction over at GB's: check Centennial Army.
It's a Centaure RNMA 3rd Variation.
Good luck,
Long Johns Wolf

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