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Cased Sets / Cased 1849 Pocket Model
« on: January 20, 2021, 12:36:58 PM »
Mailman dropped this 1863 vintage, 6 shot, 4 inch barrel 1849 Pocket Model yesterday.  It's nothing special.  It has some bluing showing, along with faded case colors.   It locks up with no over rotation, and has no cylinder turn line. The case is by Bill's Cases, Flask is a modern reproduction, as is the cap tin.  Nipple wrench is 2nd Gen and the mold is a well used original - I think.  I've already swapped the Flask and mold with what I think are originals.  I need to get my Percussion Accoutrements book out and do some research.


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Cased Sets / 1851 Navy and 3rd Model Dragoon 2 drawer set
« on: January 09, 2021, 11:07:16 AM »
Class B engraved and inlaid C series 1851 Navy and 3rd Model Dragoon in 2 drawer Colt case with mostly 2nd Gen accessories. 

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General Discussion / New Year, starting the search anew
« on: January 06, 2021, 02:13:12 PM »
In the early to mid 1980s, Uberti produced a line of stainless steel percussion Colt revolvers that were imported to the US by Allen Firearms, Santa Fe, NM; Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Inc. Angleton, TX, Uberti USA, Navy Arms, and Western Arms Corp and possibly others.  They are now also known to have been sold in Europe under the HEGE dealer name.

Phil Spangenberger did an article about these stainless revolvers in the October 1983 issue of Guns and Ammo Magazine. According to the article, the models that were being imported were the 1851 Navy, 1860 Army, 1861 Navy, 1862 Pocket Navy, and 1862 Pocket police. Thanks to Dr. J.L. Davis of RPRCA, Claremore, OK, I have a 1984 price list for Uberti products that lists fourteen different models of Stainless Steel Colts produced by Uberti at that time. Subsequent price lists expanded the line to 16 models by adding 4 ½ inch barreled Pocket Navy and Pocket Police. The complete model list, known so far, is:

1851 Navy, Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy, Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1860 Army, Military, Cut For Stock, Cal. .44 *
1860 Army, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .44*
1861 Navy, Military, Cut For Stock, Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1861 Navy, Civilian, Revolver, Cal. .36
1861 Navy, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36*
1861 Navy, Civilian, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
(* - have identified location of examples of these models)


The current total of known revolvers is 37; number 37 being found by on GunBroker by Shotgun Dave back in April. I have 5 of these revolvers now after picking two up from Dr Davis's RPRCA collection being sold by October Country. And know of thirty-two in the hands of other collectors or BP shooters. Five of the 32 are located overseas - One in England, one in Spain, one in Poland, and two in Switzerland.

Anyone with information concerning Allen Firearms, Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Western Arms or any other Uberti Stainless Steel Colt style revolvers is requested to contact fingersmcgee@charter.net  I am seeking information as to models, manufacture dates, serial numbers, barrel markings, barrel lengths, trigger guards, and any other characteristics as well as any catalog, brochure and original packaging information.

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Stainless Steel Replicas / New Year, time to reserect the search
« on: January 06, 2021, 01:50:59 PM »
In the early to mid 1980s, Uberti produced a line of stainless steel percussion Colt revolvers that were imported to the US by Allen Firearms, Santa Fe, NM; Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Inc. Angleton, TX, Uberti USA, Navy Arms, and Western Arms Corp and possibly others.  They are now also known to have been sold in Europe under the HEGE dealer name.

Phil Spangenberger did an article about these stainless revolvers in the October 1983 issue of Guns and Ammo Magazine. According to the article, the models that were being imported were the 1851 Navy, 1860 Army, 1861 Navy, 1862 Pocket Navy, and 1862 Pocket police. Thanks to Dr. J.L. Davis of RPRCA, Claremore, OK, I have a 1984 price list for Uberti products that lists fourteen different models of Stainless Steel Colts produced by Uberti at that time. Subsequent price lists expanded the line to 16 models by adding 4 ½ inch barreled Pocket Navy and Pocket Police. The complete model list, known so far, is:

1851 Navy, Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy, Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Oval Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36
1851 Navy, “Sheriff’s Model” Square back Trigger guard Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1860 Army, Military, Cut For Stock, Cal. .44 *
1860 Army, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .44*
1861 Navy, Military, Cut For Stock, Revolver, Cal. .36 *
1861 Navy, Civilian, Revolver, Cal. .36
1861 Navy, Military, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36*
1861 Navy, Civilian, With Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*
1862 Police, Semi-Fluted Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 4 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 5 ½”*
1862 Pocket Navy, Engraved Cylinder, Revolver, Cal. .36, Barrel 6 ½”
(* - have identified location of examples of these models)


The current total of known revolvers is 37; number 37 being found by on GunBroker by Shotgun Dave back in April. I have 5 of these revolvers now after picking two up from Dr Davis's RPRCA collection being sold by October Country. And know of thirty-two in the hands of other collectors or BP shooters. Five of the 32 are located overseas - One in England, one in Spain, one in Poland, and two in Switzerland.

Anyone with information concerning Allen Firearms, Southwest Muzzleloaders Supply, Western Arms or any other Uberti Stainless Steel Colt style revolvers is requested to contact fingersmcgee@charter.net  I am seeking information as to models, manufacture dates, serial numbers, barrel markings, barrel lengths, trigger guards, and any other characteristics as well as any catalog, brochure and original packaging information.

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Cased Sets / Signature Series Case and Accessories
« on: January 01, 2021, 01:36:03 PM »
I've never been a fan of Sig Series cases.  They are all oversized and weigh a ton  The apparent one size fits many approach doesn't do justice to the accessories or the revolver being cased. Case in point, there has been a pocket model case with accessories listed on eBay for quite a while for $300.00 (A steal IMHO) with no takers. Every time I spotted the listing I was tempted to pull the trigger.  Then the seller dropped the price to $200.00.  Post Man delivered it yesterday.  Packaging was non-existent [photo 1]; but fortunately there was no damage to case or accessories. When lain out in the case (photo 2], the accessories are overwhelmed by the space allowed which even swallows up the 62 Pocket Navy that the case was made for [photo 3].  A little switchy swappy using a Dixon & Sons bag flask and a Pietta .36 Cal US Marshall model utilizes the space much better [photo 4] IMNSHO.



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I'll scan the letters and post them here.  It states right in the release that Colt Industries considers the second generation Colts to be a continuation of the originals. 

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I recently purchased this press kit off of eBay. 

Vintage 1979 press kit from Colt Firearms for the release of their 2nd Generation black powder cap and ball revolvers. Includes outside folder, two press releases, product information sheets and a photo of each of the revolvers except for the Baby Dragoon, plus a photo of the accessories.


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Spiller & Burr / Re: Spiller & Burr
« on: December 19, 2020, 01:56:32 PM »
Great find Wolf. 

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General Discussion / Re: More Colt book pictures
« on: November 24, 2020, 02:48:40 PM »
I ordered a copy of the book the other day. hopefully it will show up tomorrow.

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I've ordered my copy and one to give for a Christmas president.  Cant wait till they arrive.

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Marks, makers and date codes / Re: GLB
« on: November 19, 2020, 02:56:59 PM »
Kim,  They are factory nickel plated GLB Schneider and Glassick reproductions that were imported by FIE circa 1970.  Every part of each gun is nickel plated.  The arbors of each is only screwed into the frame finger tight and are not pined.  Neithe revolver shows much wear; however, one of them has a broken sear and a loose wedge 

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Marks, makers and date codes / Re: GLB
« on: November 16, 2020, 06:05:56 PM »
Here are a few more

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Marks, makers and date codes / Re: GLB
« on: November 16, 2020, 05:05:45 PM »
I'll post some pictures later tonight or tomorrow.  OK, I'll do it tonight

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Marks, makers and date codes / Re: GLB
« on: November 13, 2020, 03:37:25 PM »
I've got a consecutive SN pair of the nickel S&Gs.  Serial number 40007 & 40008 with the boxes marked FIE

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