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Introductions / Re: Ol' kid - new member.
« on: September 19, 2018, 05:54:36 PM »

That is really cool, I have a Navy Arms G&U, same pattern/year. Didn't know until now that year was '58 very cool. OP your top post has a line "check this link" with no link. Anyway you'd mind reposting that? Any info I can get on my revolver the better, been holding off on doing anything with it since its hard to know if there's a market for them or not; been tough finding a lot of info about G & U's from that era, almost all the stuff you find online is for later runs that have proof marks and date stamps.

Navy Models / Re: Navy Arms 1851 Colt Navy
« on: April 21, 2017, 01:23:06 AM »
Markings Update: I went over it again just to make sure I didn't miss anything, and it turns out I did!

No Roman numerals or anything but on the end of the frame and on the inside of the barrel just above the ramrod is a matching 9. They were hidden when it was assembled so at least I can assume the two main parts were made together.

Navy Models / Re: Navy Arms 1851 Colt Navy
« on: April 20, 2017, 10:03:28 PM »
If there is a date code on your pistol, it should be on the right side of the frame with Roman numerals.

That is a very nice G&U you have, and as been stated earlier, very uncommon especially in that nice condition. Luckily you have a steel frame as opposed to a brass frame so it should be in good shape mechanically. The screw slots look pretty good for a used pistol. It is absolutely a .36 due to the non-rebated cylinder and the non-cut water table.

Long Johns Wolf has just supplied much information about G&U pistols that I had not seen before. Thank you, sir!

IMO, only diehards like me and LJW frequent this forum. You might get better answers from a wider audience here:


Thanks Jim! I'll definitely check that out. I'll update if I find out anything new.

Navy Models / Re: Navy Arms 1851 Colt Navy
« on: April 20, 2017, 04:43:18 PM »
If you completely disassemble the piece you might find assembly numbers.
Like on the front side of the cylinder, handwritten inside the wooden grip, on the left side of the butt strap, etc.
Back then these early G&Us required a lot of hand-fitting on the assembly line. But Italian labor was cheap. Val. Forgett payed something like $ 10.00/pistol.
The Italian replica industry began using computer aided manufacturing late. It happened at Uberti only in the early 2000s.
Hence if you feel parts should be changed the replacement parts are likely to appreciate some fitting.
You may wish to consult a smith that has experience with early Ubertis like Hoof Hearted from Texas.
Long Johns Wolf

Thanks LJW I appreciate all the info! I'm going to be taking it to a smith here soon to double check its safe to shoot, and try to get an evaluation on it. If I find out anything more about this guy I'll be sure to update. Been a fun adventure so far with it, I've contacted Navy Arms about it but honestly got a lot more information here, they unfortunately no longer have any records from 59-60 so all they could say was that it was a Navy and from them but that's about all.

Navy Models / Re: Navy Arms 1851 Colt Navy
« on: April 20, 2017, 03:48:14 PM »
The first imported into the USA - made 1959/60 - reportedly had no proof marks.
The early ones I had the privilege to inspect had only one visible serial number on the trigger guard. None on the barrel lug or frame.
The Italian proof marks are usually stamped on the left side of the frame and after you lifted the loading lever also on the bottom of the barrel close to the barrel lug.
Long Johns Wolf

Thank you for the reply! This one must be from the 59/60 era then. Serial # is in the low 1700's, and there are no other markings, none on the underside of the barrel or on the frame (besides the 'Navy Arms' shown in the photo). I can provide photo's of said areas if that would help. Seems I found quite a rarity, I purchased it off an older gentleman who said he bought it off a Civil War re-enactor in the 80's.

You wouldn't happen to know if there is a market for these guys/or are they just rare? Also any knowledge on if Uberti parts still work on these? I want to keep it all original, if indeed these are the original parts, hard to tell with no other identifying stamps on anything. I just read on an ancient post on another forum a rumor about the G & U's being "handbuilt so there aren't any spare parts aside from hand fitting" and am trying to find out if that was hogwash.

Navy Models / Re: Navy Arms 1851 Colt Navy
« on: April 20, 2017, 12:14:20 PM »
I'd be happy to but I'm not sure if there is one/where it'd be located. The only other marking on this guy is the serial number on the underside of the trigger guard. Not even any proof marks or caliber markings.

Navy Models / Navy Arms 1851 Colt Navy
« on: April 20, 2017, 02:47:46 AM »
Hello all, new member and first post so my apologies if I picked the wrong place to post this. Figured I would show the Navy Arms Colt I purchased the other week and see if anyone might know anything more about it than I do. I paid what I felt was a good price for it, but now I'm not sure if I picked up an old shooter, or something I ought to keep pristine. After some research the last week I know it's a Gregorelli & Uberti made 1851 manufactured for Navy Arms. With that stamp and a serial # in the 1700's, it must have been made/imported sometime before the mid sixties before Uberti came into his own. I'm about 99% positive its .36 caliber since the early runs didn't include any .44 quasi Navy's, but I'm lacking a .44 to compare it to. Has a little corrosion at the back end of a few cylinders, and a slight marring of the finish near the front sight but otherwise pristine. I've been looking for these at various sites but haven't found any that quite match it, or some that come close but are still in box/with accessories so the value of revolver/the availability of spare parts is a bit of a mystery to me so far. I've placed some pics below, at the very least it's solidly built and looks great, always a plus!

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