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Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Uberti Western Arms Tucker, Sherrard, & Company
« Last post by Long Johns Wolf on November 29, 2020, 03:05:09 AM »
Pards & Pardettes, I need some more information, please.
My smith measured the better pictures and used the barrel length of the original Thucker & Sherrard stated at 7 3/4" of the literature as reference.
Based on that reference the cylinder of the original has the length (!) of the Colt Dragoon.
But the literature says it is ca. .25" shoirter (6,35 mm).
Can you, please check the available U.S. sources on the 1865/CW made Tucker & Sherrard Dragoon and let me have the following measurements in inches:
Barrel: overall length incl. forcing cone plus separate measurments of forcing cone, octagon part and round part,
Frame: overall lenght plus separate measurement of "watertable",
Cylinder: oberall length.
Thanks and regards from the "old world",
Long Johns Wolf
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Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Uberti Western Arms Tucker, Sherrard, & Company
« Last post by Long Johns Wolf on November 29, 2020, 01:21:28 AM »
Do you mean importing like from the U.S.A. or other European countries into Germany?
Import - assuming you have a license to legally own such guns - is not a problem.
As a private importer you have to obtain an import license from the local equivalent to the U.S. BATF with the name of the seller, S/N and manufacturer.
Cost for the document is the equivalent of ca. US $ 20.
With that paper you can import up to 5 guns at a time.
Then there is transport: Your have to use a certified shiipper which is pricy like 3 digits depending on the country where you are getting the gun from.
Finally there is an import duty: none is due for imports from within the EU. Ex U.S.A. it is around 20 %.
Long Johns Wolf
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Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Uberti Western Arms Tucker, Sherrard, & Company
« Last post by ShotgunDave on November 28, 2020, 12:56:00 PM »
This is all very exciting Wolf! I love the creations you and your machinist come up with.

Is it hard or impossible to import the guns from outside the country?
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Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Uberti Western Arms Tucker, Sherrard, & Company
« Last post by Long Johns Wolf on November 28, 2020, 01:58:27 AM »
Thanks, Jim
We decided to have a few made using ASM made Colt 1848 2nd Model Dragoons as project guns.
Two reasons in favor of the ASMs:
1) In good preowned condition they cost only 50 % of the Ubertis (let alone 2nd and 3rd gen Colts).
2) The overall contours of the ASM Dragoons seem to be closer to the real thing than the Ubertis incl. 2nd and 3rd gen Colts.
Regarding finish: After checking more pictures in the internet we feel confident that barrels & cylinders were blued, loading levers, hammers & frames case colors.
Any thoughts what the finish of visible screws, the wedge and the trigger may have been?
One interested party in the project expressed the wish to have one with a spare cylinder with the Clark & Sherrard Texas engraving.
If any of you pards and pardettes can provide a high resolution drawing of this engraving, please kindly mail it to me.
If there happens to be a left-over low profile hammer, Jim you will get it.
Now we have to track down a couple of used ASM 2nd Model Dragoons, ha.
I'll keep you posted on the progress but don't get too excited.
It will take a few months 'til we can liberate the ASMs, I am afraid.
Long Johns Wolf
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Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Uberti Western Arms Tucker, Sherrard, & Company
« Last post by sourdough on November 27, 2020, 03:27:21 PM »
My congrats on liberating this Uberti made T&S.

Wolf,

in order to clear up any confusion, I did not win this revolver at auction; someone else did. Shotgun Dave and I were both following this one on GB but neither of us had the "mad money" funds to bid on it. I just absconded with the photos.

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Just yesterday I started researching the internet regarding this Texas Dragoon. I am playing with the idea to either have a 2nd Model Dragoon of ASM or Uberti rebuilt into one of these T&Ss with the low profile hammer.

I do like the idea that you are entertaining. IMO, that would be very much of a conversation piece. I think I would proceed with a newer Uberti as internals for ASM guns are nearly non-existent, but then you do have a professional gunsmith and machine shop at your disposal in Deutschland. As an aside, if you are going to use Uberti hammers for the low-profile style, you might have him make up many of them. They would be worth quite a lot of money to you. If that happens, please reserve one for me.  :)

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My conceptual stumbling block currently is this: would the frame need to be cut to accommodate the shorter T&S cylinder? Or is the solution an even longer forcing cone?

I think you may have answered your own question in your second post, and I have a comment there about some additional info I have found.

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Then there are the more protruding screw heads on the T&S like the ones fixing the BS to the frame. But that is a minor issue.

Yes, and it has been addressed with some reproduction Dance revolvers as well.

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And where can I get a proper drawing of the cylinder scene to replicate eventually? Any suggestions?

I think you have addressed that below when you stated that those cylinders were only found on the Clark, Sherrard, & Company revolvers and not on the T. S. & C. revolvers.

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According to the Belgian collectors' forum www.littlegun.be cylinders of the wartime Tucker & Sherrards were not engraved. The engraving was applied by the successor company Clark & Sherrard only to the Dragoons made after the CW.

I believe that to be correct. If you are interested in a T. S. & C. creation, you will not need a pattern shown on the Uberti gun or the original C. S. & C. cylinder.

We found a solution to historically correct install the shorter cylinder, SD.

I did a bit more sleuthing this morning (because of your posts) and found that the C. S. & C. revolvers were of true Colt Dragoon size, to include the cylinder length. The T. S. & C. revolver did have the shorter cylinder. I am very curious as to what your solution to this problem is using a modern repro revolver. I am truly impressed with the other revolvers your gunsmith has created.

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The major pending question is now what kind of finish was applied back then in 1865 to the Tucker & Sherrard Dragoons at the Lancaster, Texas, factory. According to one of the pics over at the Julia auction house the barrel surely was blued. Any thoughts about the other iron parts?

IMO, just for ease of production, I would think the iron parts were blued in some fashion. I cannot imagine that they were left in the "white". All of the T. S. & C. photos I have do not show any parts in the "white".

Regards,

Jim
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Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Uberti Western Arms Tucker, Sherrard, & Company
« Last post by ShotgunDave on November 27, 2020, 12:04:09 PM »
I was following that one too Jim. I wish I had been in a position to bid on it. They're hard to find, and don't come up for sale often.

I'm with Wolf, I would like to replicate one myself someday.
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Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Uberti Western Arms Tucker, Sherrard, & Company
« Last post by Long Johns Wolf on November 27, 2020, 09:16:43 AM »
We found a solution to historically correct install the shorter cylinder, SD.
The major pending question is now what kind of finish was applied back then in 1865 to the Tucker & Sherrard Dragoons at the Lancester, Texas, factory
According to one of the pics over at the Julia auction house the barrel surely was blued.
Any thoughts about the other iron parts?
According to the Belgian collectors' forum www.littlegun.be cylinders of the wartime Tucker & Sherrads were not engraved.
The engraving was applied by the successor company Clark & Sherrard only to the dragoons made after the CW.
Thanks,
Long Johns Wolf
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Tucker & Sherrard / Re: Uberti Western Arms Tucker, Sherrard, & Company
« Last post by Long Johns Wolf on November 27, 2020, 01:13:36 AM »
Thanks, SD,
For sharing the pics and infos.
My congrats on liberating this Uberti made T&S.
Just yesterday I started researching the internet regarding this Texas Dragoon.
I am playing with the idea to either have a 2nd Model Dragoon of ASM or Uberti rebuilt into one of these T&Ss with the low profile hammer.
My conceptual stumbling block currently is this: would the frame need to be cut to accommodate the shorter T&S cylinder? Or is the solution an even longer forcing cone?
Then there are the more protruding screw heads on the T&S like the ones fixing the BS to the frame. But that is a minor issue.
And where can I get a proper drawing of the cylinder scene to replicate eventually?
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Long Johns Wolf
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Tucker & Sherrard / Uberti Western Arms Tucker, Sherrard, & Company
« Last post by sourdough on November 26, 2020, 04:37:50 PM »
Tucker, Sherrard, & Company .44 revolver (AD/1978) manufactured by Aldo Uberti & Co. and marketed by Western Arms Corp., Santa Fe NM (which I believe to be the precursor to Cimarron Firearms). Sold for $425 on GB 11/25/20.













According to one source, around 400 to 1000 Tucker, Sherrard, & Company cased sets only were made for Western Arms by Uberti, so this one may have been liberated from its case.

This revolver is fairly accurate, historically, to most of the T. S. & C. originals as there were a few variations. The original revolvers were of Colt Dragoon size but the cylinder is nearly 1/4" shorter, and the cylinder stop slots vary from round to rectangular. The roll-marked cylinders are fairly true to the originals with the markings.





This is the top of barrel marking on an original.



I only wish Uberti/Western Arms had gone a step further and created the "low hammer spur" variation. This is the only revolver ever in the ACW to have such an innovation, and a good one at that.



The strange part of the Tucker, Sherrard, & Company (along with its future names/incarnations) saga is that most of them were assembled after the ACW, due to contractual/political disputes between the Texas government, the CSA, and the manufacturer(s) during the War, and were sold on the civilian market.

Reference: Confederate Revolvers William A. Gary (1987).

Regards,

Jim



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General Discussion / Happy Thanksgiving!
« Last post by ShotgunDave on November 26, 2020, 11:56:29 AM »
Happy Thanksgiving to all of our BPRCF family.

Hope it's a great day for you and yours.
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